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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris you're in the para cast and last

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week I have to tell you this was a

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spectacular show probably one of the

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best shows ever and the reason is

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because we got this guy who is what a

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skinwalker ranch insider guy worked as a

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security guard and he sees stuff in Las

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Vegas identifying the NSA what do you

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know about chip Chris well first of all

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Jane I think we have more than that I

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mean chip is kind of like the frosting

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on the cake what we have is a is a

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really cool show with three

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investigators of probably what I would

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consider in personally the most

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important case ever in the annals of the

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paranormal at least in North America we

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have scientists that have been on this

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ranch monitoring the activity and we

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finally break that icy barrier that that

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ceiling and get somebody from the inside

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to really you know come forward and talk

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to us I really can't go into details

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about how I became aware of Chip and

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others chipperz chipperz only the tip of

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the iceberg there are other people that

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are interested in talking about their

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experiences while being involved with

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the managers of that particular ranch

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facility in Utah I can't really go into

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much detail but I have seen enough

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documentation and things that totally

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pass my mic agility test in my litmus

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test for viability in terms of a real

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source and you know I hate to sound all

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cryptic and everything but there are

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legal issues involved here as I'm sure

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some of our listeners are aware these

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people have signed non-disclosure

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agreements and by coming forward they're

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violating those so I really have to be

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careful from a legal standpoint how much

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I say but but let's put it this way you

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know gene I've been involved in this

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this line of investigative work for a

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while and and there are certain levels

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of

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credibility that need to be met in my

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mind and and chip is one of a number of

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sources that have met this particular

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litmus test as to put it that way

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and we have to understand with someone

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like Bob Bigelow in charge of what goes

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on at skinwalker

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well ostensibly so but that's why I'm

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even more that makes disclosure very

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difficult because he puts strict control

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over the information that comes out when

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he tried to do that deal with MUFON the

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mutual UFO network where he gave them

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money it was gonna be everything going

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in and very little coming out well how

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about his arrangement a rumored

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arrangement I've never seen

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documentation of this but it's rumored

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that Bigelow also has a sweetheart deal

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with the FAA and they are funneling

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potential UFO reports to his

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organization that never came up on the

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show but that's something that that a

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few people have heard I'm sure out there

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on the grapevine I'd like to get one of

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our listeners to come up with some

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documentation to establish you know this

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alleged rumored relationship well one of

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the things about keeping secrecy if you

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funnel it through private industry yeah

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that's one way one sure way that even if

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things are disclosed accidentally

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through Freedom of Information documents

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etc the real secrecy is kept under a

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black project money I mean as we learned

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about government they don't keep track

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of every dollar that goes in and out of

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that place right what's the latest that

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the budget had two billion dollars that

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were earmarked for the Defense

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Department and they're saying we didn't

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ask for that I think that's two trillion

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dollars it's even worse they want to add

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in the budget two trillion dollars for

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the Defense Department because of these

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cuts to trillion dollar two trillion

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yeah you know what's a zero among frozen

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oh yeah what's a zero among friends and

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the Pentagon says well we don't need it

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but of course you have to think even the

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money they do get there's a lot of waste

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going on there and it's so easily to

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move things off-book I mean how do they

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finance the Iraq war in the Afghanistan

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war during the previous administration

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it was off the books and that's

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something that costs what a couple of

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trillion dollars you do that with

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something like spending

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money and sending it to private industry

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for special projects right well we know

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a lot of that money has funneled into

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exotic technology development special

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projects black projects however you want

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to earmark it or call it

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I'm sure the underground facility

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installation budget is has been

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substantial over the years it just

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really goes to show you a gene that

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we're living that Chinese curse of

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interesting times this this type of

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fiscal irresponsibility and in lack of

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transparency it just can't go on anymore

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I mean I'm beside myself with

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consternation about much of what goes on

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in this country but we're getting off

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topic right I think it started with just

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talking about skinwalker ranch and what

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went on there and what Association

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someone like a Bob Bigelow would have

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we're talking about somebody worth about

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a billion dollars a rich private

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investor who is capable of getting

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involved in all sorts of transactions

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and you have to think these small

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potatoes compared to something like the

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Koch brothers

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or Warren Buffett or Bill Gates they

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have many billions of dollars and we

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don't know that they can't stick a few

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billion into one venture or another and

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some of that may come back to what we're

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doing here I mean Paul Allen one of the

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Microsoft co-founders who came back in

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my direction okay we'll make a bid you

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know imagine if someone just came over

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and came to the power cast and said I'm

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going to promote your show here in just

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one hundred million dollars yeah

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listeners take notes very closely here's

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a hundred million dollars you two hosts

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don't have to starve and have to suffer

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with tiny Paich actually get the real

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money well I ain't starving

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HX I mean that's I mean listen they're

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paying Rush Limbaugh 40 million a year

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is that fair yeah that's just the cover

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is oxycontin is that all it is is that

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all there is I wonder what for example

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Alex Jones is the flagship act at GCI

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Network was he gets a few million of

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course no I would think a lot makes

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makes some serious guy

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chin even George Noory let me yawn

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George Noory or as we call George Snorri

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sure he's making what five million

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dollars from ghost to ghost boring

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people of death

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yep well in the meantime we do have a

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show to do today and I'm happy to

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announce that we have a couple of Co

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speakers at the upcoming UFO con

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conference September 15th and 16th and

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17th in San Francisco I will be there I

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kind of got last sued into this gig

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without knowing some of the other

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speakers I must say I don't want to

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sound what would be the word well

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they're sending you a plane ticket right

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they're sending me a plane ticket and

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you're going to go to San Francisco

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without flowers in your I have never

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spoke or met for that matter Alfred

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Weber Laura Eisenhower what's his name

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Andrew basashi oh I've never met these

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individuals and I'm going to be sharing

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the podium with them do you think I

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should bring my my trickster hat maybe

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play a little have some fun and games or

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for that you believe a kool-aid sure I

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think that'd be worthwhile by me you

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know you're not the first one Stanton

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Friedman has been on stage with people

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whose beliefs might be considered well

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Richard Owens gonna be there and also

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our two guests Reuben your art a and

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well there's gonna be there's gonna be

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some good speakers there as well Richard

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Dolan will be there

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Michael schrott whose aerospace

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investigative work I I admire Rubin your

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art a and Harry drew our two guests

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today are also going to be speaking and

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I'm looking forward to talking to Harry

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number one because of the the news

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that's been out here recently about

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about new information about the Kingman

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UFO crash and of course Rubin is always

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involved in some really cool stuff he's

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also putting on a conference down in

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Presidio Texas which I'm sure we'll talk

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about and it's gonna be a good show and

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I'm looking forward to touching bases

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with these guys once I'm out in San

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Francisco and and of course meeting up

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with rich stolen again and and this is

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going to be fun

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and we're gonna have a good show so I

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want to know a game that Kingman Arizona

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is not just the place I stopped for some

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coffee

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when I'm traveling to Lhasa face

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guess we're gonna double that Oh

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actually Kingman Kingman has a really

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interesting history I did a haunted site

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investigation there at a particular

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hotel in town that you just stayed on I

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should have stayed on and maybe one of

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these days on the road from Phoenix to

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Las Vegas I'll stop at Kingman I'll

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investigate something and then I'll get

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abducted no that's not quite the way I

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intended it and I suppose some of our

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listeners would be glad if I'm abducted

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during a trip of that nature but things

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do happen to me but not quite that

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drastic you have Reuben your Tay and

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Harry drew coming up next you're in the

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have Harry true joining us Ruben your

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tazed going to be on just a little bit

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later now Harry is known very much

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because of the Kingman UFO crashes we're

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talking about Kingman Arizona in this

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Chris mentioned our previous segment

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Kingman Arizona has been the site of

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lots of interesting paranormal events

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but let's just start with the UFO

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crashes and we hear of course about

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Roswell and to a lesser degree about

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Aztec Harry Drew tell us why should we

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be interested in the possibility of a

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crash at Kingman Arizona tell us more

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I think probably they I need to give you

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a little explanation yeah but the number

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one reason to be interested in community

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epic crashes for is I have found the

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sites

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I'm a museum director and curator of

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history archaeology and anthropology

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historian with published books going

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back 30 years and using the methodology

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and professional protocol that is

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required of my profession and I did that

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in regard to the Kingman crash story

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beginning in 2006 I live know Kingman

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and so it's like common knowledge to the

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older set that are here and so I began

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the process of looking at some of the

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things online and quickly determined

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what I label as exaggerators and the

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various stories about it and I had to go

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to places where you can really get hard

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reliable data and museums research

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libraries of I'm an event USGS different

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places

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I could start gathering documentation

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dating back to 1856 and walk it forward

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because I needed to know simple things

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that every everyone that does real

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research needs to know

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Byron area as far as what roads actually

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existed in 1953 and then take the

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mindset of how things are in 1953 this

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is retro and it's very important from

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the stencil all of the UFO stories seem

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to come from an incidents date back to

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1947 with the Roswell crash and if we

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don't understand the validity and the

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evidence that's involved and early

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crackers it's going to be an extreme

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challenge to try to make sense of

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anything happening now and technology

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changed and as it changed people's

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thinking about what what they're going

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to sear out of what they're supposed to

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be able to see in UFOs changes with it

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and the very earliest drawings and the

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previous century of UFOs which are

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machines and they make an extreme line

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they do drawings of those back down

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showing bridge rivets were used on what

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will consider contemporary ion bridges

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to replace bowls so you bring up a

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really good point that the technology

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that's observed by witnesses tend to

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mirror the level of technology of the

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time if not maybe a little ahead of that

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so I think your point is well-taken and

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para cast listeners are pretty up to

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speed and pretty sophisticated I must

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say and and that's one element that

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we've been talking about for years now

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is the witnesses seem to be painting in

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details and in it and they tend to to

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progress and change as the years go by

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so that's that's a really interesting

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point I'm sorry to interrupt no it's

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it's welcome and but it's just an

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example of something that that I

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and you really have to to get a grasp of

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this and we really have some people out

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in la-la land of net the internet who

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profess to be experts on King and and

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it's just amazing one of them said if

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the UFO crash isn't in the newspaper

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like your local newspaper then never

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happened and if it's not in the paper

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that just means that because it's top

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secret it never made it in the paper

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right you know I mean the reality of it

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but anyway let me jump over to the pack

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there were very credible witnesses and

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who are on-site at the Kingman crash and

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who have been demonized unfortunately or

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minimalized we're gonna get into all

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that we've got plenty of time to dive in

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let's start back at the beginning where

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do we get our first indication that

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there was an unusual event or events in

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King let's kind of take take our

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first-time listeners people that aren't

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up to speed on this particular case and

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kind of bring them up to speed quickly

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let's start at the beginning okay took

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some Mayberry USA yes oh okay and we're

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talking late 1940s early end in 1953 and

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Kingman Arizona 3500 people good people

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a lot of hard-working miners and dogs

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but they're out in the hinterland

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because that's where the mines are at

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Kingman was kind of a hub that I had and

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it basically had two roads and

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ultimately had all the way up to three

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on sort of two and a half on 1953 but in

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1947 we have Roswell July 2 very famous

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but I know about Roswell nobody here in

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the southwest knew about rajala at all

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there's no television but wasn't really

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seen that much in the small town so it

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was largely confined to larger size the

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story was killed and x-rayed by the NIHR

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denying it was a saucer and

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and but it never made it here but here's

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the point five days later July 7th 1937

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two businessmen are flying at a private

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plane back to the communal airport

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because it was no longer a military base

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it had stopped being a military base 245

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and they're flying back and all of a

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sudden we come under laser attack by

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close enough landing flying discs hold

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on let's talk about that attacked you

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mean that these crafts actually attacked

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one of ours

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weapons I'm not employing that nor is

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that stated in the documentation what

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happened was and they're talking from

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air to ground over the tower

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okay the civilian Tower and they're

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scared out of their lips because they're

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embarrassed at close quarters by

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multiple UFOs and they landed safely

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that's and the scenario is by them this

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is Mayberry

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1947 yeah okay when I was on ER and the

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local reporter with a pencil above his

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ear hears about this and he's out there

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to talk to him when they when they land

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and it's almost like they're kissing the

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ground to be able to get out of the

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plane because I thought they were going

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to die and they will give us homes

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nobody else knows this okay because it

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didn't go out on the AP wire or end up

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on CNN or any of those they didn't exist

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much we had the AP wire of course and we

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have the UPI wire but we generally

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didn't have CNN which is what came out

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in the 1980s this is a time where a lot

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of events could have happened and not

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being the 24/7 news cycle as we are now

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we're gonna get into more of that in a

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moment we have Harry Drew and we're

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focusing on reports of UFO crashes in

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Kingman Arizona in 1953 this is six

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years after Roswell Ruben d'arte is

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628
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arte who will be speaking with us

629
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:22,520
momentarily he is by the way talking to

630
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us from his car but he assures us it's

631
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:26,809
safe and that he's not doing anything

632
00:27:32,790 --> 00:27:29,510
dangerous Jeanne is a California driver

633
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so on the other hands of the territory

634
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well there you go

635
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we won't tell we're not saying anything

636
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:41,030
he's probably doing hands-free so that's

637
00:27:44,049 --> 00:27:42,440
it he's not really holding that cell

638
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:44,059
phone in his hands so how are you and I

639
00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:46,370
were basically engaged in putting

640
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together the early information about the

641
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:51,650
Kingman crash and painting a picture of

642
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,530
what the United States was like them

643
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,720
because we're talking about Mayberry us

644
00:28:01,960 --> 00:27:59,360
a traditional small-town America we

645
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:01,970
didn't have the 24/7 communications that

646
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:02,690
we have today

647
00:28:07,090 --> 00:28:05,090
you know we had TV but not quite as much

648
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:07,100
we had Captain video on TV if you wanted

649
00:28:10,299 --> 00:28:08,660
to see science fiction this is two years

650
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:10,309
after the day of the Earth Stood Still

651
00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:13,670
came out we didn't have 24/7 cable we

652
00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:17,030
didn't have FM radio it was still you

653
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:19,460
know in testing is that kind of cover it

654
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:24,080
right there Harry I said AP and I and

655
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:26,330
you plan on it because of my research

656
00:28:31,630 --> 00:28:29,870
they called it Associated Press so they

657
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:31,640
didn't bother the acronym I will tell

658
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,450
you this that the entire story of the

659
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:37,520
two pilots on the bus was on the front

660
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:40,130
page of the kingman kingman daily minor

661
00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:42,830
newspaper which will be about 130 years

662
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:46,340
old this year or next and the following

663
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:49,370
day in Prescott Arizona with a hundred

664
00:28:56,980 --> 00:28:53,230
miles of Kingman there were a swarm of

665
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:56,990
flying discs seen and then an

666
00:29:03,460 --> 00:28:59,330
interesting thing from Associated but

667
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:03,470
that said tabulators had triggered after

668
00:29:09,810 --> 00:29:06,470
checking with over 48 states at the time

669
00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:09,820
that 41 of the state's out of

670
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:12,639
forty-eight states were already being

671
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:17,529
dosed by UFOs flying disks and it more

672
00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:21,369
importantly to me this being about five

673
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:24,639
six days rather away from Roswell an

674
00:29:31,019 --> 00:29:27,190
official spokesman for the Army Air

675
00:29:35,129 --> 00:29:31,029
Force in Washington admitted to flying

676
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:35,139
saucers and indicated that they lacked

677
00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:37,690
sufficient equipment to blanket the

678
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:42,309
nation to protect us how's that I've

679
00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:43,690
never heard of that before and I'm

680
00:29:49,499 --> 00:29:46,419
holding it in my hand you know and okay

681
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:49,509
so that's that stage that's the stage of

682
00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:53,679
1947 we knew that the 1953 the military

683
00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:55,960
has been gone for eight years

684
00:30:01,529 --> 00:29:57,940
there's no presence here other than

685
00:30:03,629 --> 00:30:01,539
three separate radar systems setup and

686
00:30:07,649 --> 00:30:03,639
there's experimentation going on with

687
00:30:09,989 --> 00:30:07,659
engineers to try to develop a bigger and

688
00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:09,999
more powerful language until the new

689
00:30:16,109 --> 00:30:12,429
radar systems coming out of 1955 will be

690
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:16,119
there and so they're over driving the

691
00:30:21,719 --> 00:30:19,330
radar and my consulting engineer who by

692
00:30:25,469 --> 00:30:21,729
the way designed the flight control

693
00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:25,479
system that was used and was with James

694
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:28,749
Cameron six months ago and look at he's

695
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:30,190
been out to the sites with me and

696
00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:31,929
examined some physical evidence and

697
00:30:36,089 --> 00:30:33,700
everything I have but he did

698
00:30:39,719 --> 00:30:36,099
computations in regard to the radar here

699
00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:39,729
it figures and very importantly and what

700
00:30:44,639 --> 00:30:41,169
they were trying to do is increase the

701
00:30:47,099 --> 00:30:44,649
range about 150 miles long range 25

702
00:30:49,529 --> 00:30:47,109
miles you want 50 you double they were

703
00:30:51,509 --> 00:30:49,539
trying to learn systems over driven by

704
00:30:53,489 --> 00:30:51,519
about 24 times we're getting too

705
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:53,499
technical here over driving the system

706
00:30:59,129 --> 00:30:55,929
means that basically you're taking

707
00:31:01,769 --> 00:30:59,139
equipment and running it way beyond its

708
00:31:04,499 --> 00:31:01,779
design it was killing birds in flight

709
00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:04,509
locals complained because birds were

710
00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:08,190
being shot out of the air by high-energy

711
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:10,629
microwave radiation are you suggesting

712
00:31:17,009 --> 00:31:14,529
Harry that it's these super active radar

713
00:31:19,889 --> 00:31:17,019
units that possibly were responsible for

714
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:19,899
bringing down crowd the Illinois stop

715
00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:22,100
that enough that they wrote it down

716
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:28,280
internal communication excuse me Harry

717
00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:30,770
you said internal communication is this

718
00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:32,380
something you have a copy of a

719
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:35,060
particular letter you can find quite

720
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:36,710
easily on

721
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:40,190
I think it's have a cover jacket one or

722
00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:47,990
dr. gray books why they were done was

723
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:50,390
why it was because of the radar and what

724
00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:55,010
happened here this is on a sly way for

725
00:32:03,700 --> 00:31:58,460
UFOs it's to fly way for UFOs we have

726
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:03,710
UFOs here still and one moment all these

727
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:06,110
three stations at which were set up in a

728
00:32:16,990 --> 00:32:10,430
triangular layout okay they turned on

729
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:17,000
the way down and it did to what was

730
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:19,490
described to me by a woman witness who

731
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:23,360
was one of the Air Force recovery team

732
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:27,410
who were flown here and they basically

733
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:30,980
flew right into this net or triangular

734
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:33,530
frequency okay cause some kind of

735
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:36,050
problem and the first one went down on

736
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:39,020
the 18th of May it landed it did not

737
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:43,580
crash and for those people who don't

738
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:45,590
believe in the Kingman crash and who

739
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:48,920
believe in the area 51 UFO reverse

740
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:52,010
engineering project I have to tell you

741
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:56,330
that the UFO at area 51 and s4 everyone

742
00:33:02,440 --> 00:32:58,490
is talked about and is being reversed

743
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:02,450
engineered is the Kingman UFO crashed

744
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:04,820
okay now we're handing out the tails

745
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:06,740
here a lot of details it's not just a

746
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,170
simple thing because we now have we now

747
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:10,640
have several different factors here that

748
00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:12,470
we have to contend with one we have a

749
00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:15,620
crash of a UFO then we have it going to

750
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:18,380
area 51 which we would certainly want to

751
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:19,790
see how you support that when we get to

752
00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:22,130
the Jeanne said it landed it didn't

753
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:24,380
crash okay so what landed it didn't

754
00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:28,880
crash there is what you're saying the

755
00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:31,460
take-off were did it stay there no I'd

756
00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:34,680
never thought there was a team there was

757
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,540
- 10 assembled 15 specialists basically

758
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:41,700
we're working on upshot not hole punch

759
00:33:48,170 --> 00:33:44,990
was lab data bomb testing going on

760
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:48,180
doctor a doctor ahead of the project

761
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:51,150
sent one of one of these specialists who

762
00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:54,330
became a witness to this and made

763
00:34:00,290 --> 00:33:56,670
statements to the researcher Raymond

764
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:00,300
hour the man's name was well was our

765
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:05,280
third stanza and he had a degree in

766
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:07,650
physics and mathematics and engineering

767
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:10,350
and he really was in the highly

768
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,530
top-secret work and he met with a

769
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:15,480
Bassett Phoenix after being turned from

770
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,090
Indian Hills Air Force Base and they

771
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,280
were left out to the site near Kingman

772
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:23,280
they arrived in the dark and very sad

773
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:25,590
and it didn't have a scratch on it

774
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:29,010
the crew had been cooked checked by the

775
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:31,470
advanced Air Force recovery team and

776
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:34,500
immediately sent on to groom like okay I

777
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:36,540
need to ask you a lot of questions here

778
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:38,820
because you're several thousand okay it

779
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:45,240
was sent to groom lake in 53 now

780
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:49,140
deceased a retired full-bird US Air

781
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,780
Force colonel and test pilot and United

782
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:53,820
States Air Force who was on six

783
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,180
recoveries this week one of them and he

784
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:00,660
said to me to my face don't you let

785
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:03,330
anybody try to tell you that they were

786
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,950
taking the wright-patterson because they

787
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:06,780
were not they were taking shred up to

788
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:09,660
green like we're like the facility that

789
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:11,700
was a green light with a planet on the

790
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:14,100
Air Force Base and it was handed off to

791
00:35:19,850 --> 00:35:17,760
Edwards as an annex the external work

792
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:19,860
that was going on with Edwards and they

793
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:29,300
excuse me we're going ahead of ourselves

794
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,760
here

795
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:32,640
this was not area 51 at this particular

796
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:38,990
it's a retired Air Force military base

797
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:40,290
that was handed off

798
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,540
to Edwards Edwards didn't sit around on

799
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:44,460
a roll it again doing stuff with a base

800
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:45,090
immediately

801
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:47,970
and then he got majors hundred in 1955

802
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:49,110
you can check that out

803
00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:51,060
it's a congressional effect yeah the

804
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:53,550
money was handed down to the military to

805
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,860
upgrade and the radar systems were down

806
00:36:01,580 --> 00:35:58,500
the radar the three that were here in 53

807
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,590
were moved in 1955 and a Matthew it's

808
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:04,500
almost like a backscatter came in that's

809
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:07,800
steps when that is still here okay I

810
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,420
mean you can see it you can drive right

811
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,240
down down Kingdom and that's right there

812
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,460
and it hi Beulah cook they're getting a

813
00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:16,800
lot of people cancer and all kinds of

814
00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:18,270
problems because it's right smack in the

815
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:21,600
middle of the old town really going far

816
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:23,130
afield I want to get back to the court

817
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:24,810
case because we've added lots of details

818
00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:27,870
here and we first have to see obviously

819
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:30,150
that this landed but didn't take off

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that George snoring we have Reuben your

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Tay who will be speaking in a few

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moments speaking from his motor vehicle

938
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safely we understand we have Harry Drew

939
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and we're focusing with Deena and Chris

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on the mera cast on the report of a UFO

941
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:31,900
landing at Kingman now you're saying

942
00:41:38,099 --> 00:41:35,380
here it didn't crash Harry but it didn't

943
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take off which I guess is unusually kind

944
00:41:44,099 --> 00:41:42,040
of think if this craft just landed why

945
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:44,109
didn't it take off again it wasn't

946
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damaged it was disabled okay so it's a

947
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crash landing when I find out what what

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about this recovery team I mean how many

949
00:41:59,609 --> 00:41:56,349
energies were aboard how how was the I

950
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guess put into custody scenario played

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out I mean I'm a little confused on

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those details to Harrison somebody yeah

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Harry I'm talking to you man uh we're

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taking into some sort of custody right

955
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yep all right look that's really the

956
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crew the description of the crew is

957
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interesting as well the crew was

958
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actually outside the craft the craft did

959
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not class the class when it actually

960
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were two miles before whatever was long

961
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as it caused it to descend and they made

962
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they made a landing in an area that the

963
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specialist that came there along with 40

964
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scientists to look at later and he

965
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didn't see the aliens but the craft was

966
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:53,619
described as basically at a slight - I

967
00:42:58,589 --> 00:42:55,980
have drawings of the craft from the time

968
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Harry are we talking about local

969
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:00,339
eyewitnesses or are we talking about

970
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:03,869
official there were local eyewitnesses

971
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:08,250
to this and there were as many as 15

972
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:12,400
local witnesses including the rancher

973
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wondered Neil who saw the Webley

974
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vehicle come down four days later that

975
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butyl the initial event operator can

976
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some engineers they couldn't do anything

977
00:43:36,460 --> 00:43:33,800
about it

978
00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:36,470
they knew the thing went down but there

979
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:41,000
was nothing so the advance team came

980
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:45,530
they immediately got how long does it

981
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:48,040
take secret how long did it take them to

982
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:51,950
be notified and arrive on site about the

983
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:53,870
time the Crofts hit the ground they were

984
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:57,380
already assembling all right and they

985
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:00,200
had to slide Hill took him about two

986
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hours to get the king and they truck in

987
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:05,630
two hours of that thing right alighting

988
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on the ground the government the

989
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:10,760
military was was present on site the

990
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:13,150
response time was very fast

991
00:44:21,130 --> 00:44:18,290
we already military police in and the

992
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:21,140
cordoned off and set a perimeter there

993
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:25,010
before the sunset on the 18th of May did

994
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:26,230
not happen at night

995
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:28,850
then they started quickly trying to

996
00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:30,740
determine whether to get equipment to

997
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:32,540
recover the crash and get it out of that

998
00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:35,180
it was very special because it was whole

999
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:38,360
it wasn't damaged the crew left and was

1000
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:42,050
taken King Green Lake that's outside of

1001
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:44,660
the periphery of what I'm trying to

1002
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:47,330
track into you know how long they were

1003
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,180
there where they went after I don't know

1004
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:52,160
I didn't investigate it I'm trying to

1005
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:55,160
find out about what area know about the

1006
00:45:02,050 --> 00:44:58,610
actual apprehension scenario that went

1007
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,060
on between military personnel and the

1008
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:04,400
crew of the craft I mean what do we know

1009
00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:10,420
about that particular description I know

1010
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:14,320
there was a verbal in English

1011
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:16,970
conversation with one who seemed to

1012
00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:20,330
represent the other three it wasn't

1013
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:23,000
telepathic it was just possibly saying

1014
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:26,170
one of one of the three crew members

1015
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:28,910
from this craft were able to speak and

1016
00:45:35,730 --> 00:45:31,550
understand English based on the

1017
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:35,740
information supplied to me by cool

1018
00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:38,570
retired and now deceased Colonel Wendell

1019
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:42,500
Stevens who was amongst the recovery

1020
00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:46,070
team and who was still awed by the fact

1021
00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:48,680
when he told me about this during an

1022
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:53,350
interview he his first reaction was

1023
00:46:00,460 --> 00:45:56,650
their description and it was they were

1024
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:00,470
human that's how he describes them and

1025
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:06,680
he said they were huh did they have

1026
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:14,450
German accents like not what he told me

1027
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:15,170
okay

1028
00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:21,470
and everyone needs to understand it'll

1029
00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:23,030
be in the book where you can see it and

1030
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:25,400
it's in hidden hidden in plain sight

1031
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:28,430
the king of epic Rogers is that when I

1032
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:30,590
do an interview with humans that are

1033
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:34,100
alive are people here and now it's as

1034
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,120
told to me so if they have a perspective

1035
00:46:42,670 --> 00:46:39,920
that is different and I might have

1036
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:42,680
they're going to show that and that's

1037
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:45,020
what I'm conveying to you these aren't

1038
00:46:52,830 --> 00:46:49,100
my words they are given a lot of

1039
00:46:58,210 --> 00:46:52,840
ammunition to the man-made UFO

1040
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,220
enthusiasts that read yeah yep

1041
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:02,000
the difference was their eyes were set

1042
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,520
slightly further apart but not the large

1043
00:47:10,530 --> 00:47:07,520
things we typically see in illustrations

1044
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:10,540
which doesn't mean that there's

1045
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:12,890
extraterrestrials don't exist and

1046
00:47:21,970 --> 00:47:18,860
further that they had part of the face

1047
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:21,980
was more heart shaped or more pointed

1048
00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:26,090
down by the trim I can tell you of a

1049
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:28,420
third crash only in the sense that

1050
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:30,560
because I don't want to jump past a

1051
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:32,310
whole bunch of things here

1052
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:35,550
that the newspaper saw two of that crew

1053
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:38,250
and they're described on the front page

1054
00:47:48,590 --> 00:47:42,650
a newspaper as two strange-looking men

1055
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:48,600
okay this is true at any club in any

1056
00:48:03,890 --> 00:47:50,760
Cydia and I'll find you two

1057
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:03,900
strange-looking men on fire and it got

1058
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:08,790
everybody upset okay I came down and hit

1059
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:10,500
this note states of the wild pine

1060
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:14,160
mountain and set it on fire and the

1061
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:15,870
story about that which will never have

1062
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:18,930
time to talk about is amazing because of

1063
00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:20,850
what happened after they were taken to

1064
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:21,980
the show

1065
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:28,440
so the first craft was a problem for the

1066
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:31,530
Air Force to recover it just so happens

1067
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:33,870
camper and change it says of Nations of

1068
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:37,020
infantry to honor that is over by

1069
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:41,130
Barstow California a direct route on 66

1070
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:45,390
highway 66 to Kingman and the first

1071
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:47,340
thing that happens in m25 tank

1072
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:49,380
transporter comes zipping through a

1073
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,440
little kingman the following day that

1074
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:54,720
Cosby Show from the undershirt to go up

1075
00:49:00,380 --> 00:48:59,640
to the area the only Road only Road from

1076
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:00,390
Phoenix

1077
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:06,150
okay and it was only graded Sam let me

1078
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:08,010
just clarify something here okay Harry

1079
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:09,150
before we go on need to clarify

1080
00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:11,850
something okay yeah you mentioned one of

1081
00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:13,860
your sources is of course Lieutenant

1082
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:16,590
Colonel Wendell Stevens who is also

1083
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:18,990
known in the UFO field as someone who

1084
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:23,490
was actively who else can you name as a

1085
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:26,760
source for this information again who

1086
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:32,790
else other than on Thursday and so on

1087
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:36,090
who was who had a degree in physics you

1088
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:38,460
had adequate wright-patterson twelve

1089
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:40,980
years before the Air Force transferred

1090
00:49:45,070 --> 00:49:41,870
him

1091
00:49:49,330 --> 00:49:45,080
to operation upshot not where the atomic

1092
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:49,340
bomb blasts us freshmen shot Nevada here

1093
00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:51,380
is also participant here he was involved

1094
00:50:02,020 --> 00:49:58,280
in the recovery and yeah Harry he was

1095
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:02,030
involved in recovery and there you house

1096
00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:05,000
and then relatives of one of New York

1097
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:07,780
cousins of one of Neil including the

1098
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:15,710
aviation museum curators are you saying

1099
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:17,690
basically that every one of these people

1100
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:21,440
was involved in this recovery I'm

1101
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:25,250
telling you that two of them on site

1102
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:30,290
that was understand so that alias was

1103
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:34,490
Elana when the report was done with him

1104
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:39,410
by the esteemed and well-respected

1105
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:44,720
researcher Raymond Fowler and Wendell

1106
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:48,160
Stevens who these men independently gave

1107
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,020
the erosion without benefit of having

1108
00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:56,000
communicated with anyone else I also

1109
00:51:08,460 --> 00:50:59,500
have testimony from the Reverend short

1110
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Tucson who was awakened in the middle of

1111
00:51:18,570 --> 00:51:15,770
the night and transported up here to

1112
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:18,580
examine this and he was connected with

1113
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:22,550
and had access to project Bluebook okay

1114
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,290
we'll get into more of this in just a

1115
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:26,000
moment we have Harry Drew will be

1116
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:27,740
hearing shortly from Ruben your tape

1117
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1167
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1168
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

1169
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:05,250
standard of paranormal radio and now

1170
00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:12,700
here's Jane Steinberg with gene increase

1171
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:16,180
we have Ruben your take and Harry drew

1172
00:54:21,299 --> 00:54:18,910
and we are talking today at least we

1173
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:21,309
started talking about the unusual

1174
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:24,700
happenings in Kingman Arizona about UFO

1175
00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:26,819
crashes but not necessarily crashes but

1176
00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:30,460
landings about them both gene yeah well

1177
00:54:33,329 --> 00:54:31,869
we started off with the landing and

1178
00:54:35,549 --> 00:54:33,339
we'll get into the crashing in a few

1179
00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:35,559
moments Ruben can you tell us about this

1180
00:54:39,569 --> 00:54:37,420
event that's coming up and this is going

1181
00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:39,579
to be just a few days after our folks

1182
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:40,900
here this episode which is being

1183
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,690
broadcast on September 9th I'm gonna

1184
00:54:58,109 --> 00:54:49,440
fall over so that way I won't have to

1185
00:54:59,999 --> 00:54:58,119
worry about driving UFO con which is

1186
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:00,009
going to be held at the Marriott hotel

1187
00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:03,599
is back on on Friday

1188
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:05,980
whichever 14th and then the actual

1189
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:08,710
conference assessed this December 15 and

1190
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:11,470
15 we're going to have a number of great

1191
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:13,690
speakers and I'm looking forward to

1192
00:55:19,259 --> 00:55:15,730
listening to the Christopher O'Brien and

1193
00:55:20,999 --> 00:55:19,269
awful mr. Harry drew I'm Billy I'm very

1194
00:55:25,319 --> 00:55:21,009
interested in the crash retrieval

1195
00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:25,329
research as my co-authors know a tourist

1196
00:55:31,859 --> 00:55:27,880
and I have been working on the number of

1197
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:31,869
cases primarily dealing with glass

1198
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:34,420
retrievals along the southwest you had

1199
00:55:39,630 --> 00:55:36,940
the Mexican border now I also will be

1200
00:55:41,970 --> 00:55:39,640
talking briefly about MUFON on the state

1201
00:55:44,819 --> 00:55:41,980
director or Northern California

1202
00:55:52,499 --> 00:55:44,829
I'm also the deputy director of

1203
00:55:53,819 --> 00:55:52,509
destination for international sounds

1204
00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:53,829
like quite an event we'll look forward

1205
00:55:58,019 --> 00:55:55,299
to seeing all his great guests of course

1206
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,029
Chris will be there and he'll be

1207
00:56:00,480 --> 00:55:59,680
reporting back if following week on the

1208
00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:00,490
para cast

1209
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:02,380
yeah I've got my trickster hat on gene

1210
00:56:07,319 --> 00:56:05,230
oh boy could it be fascinating then okay

1211
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:07,329
Harry drew we were talking about the

1212
00:56:12,030 --> 00:56:09,880
early events and the people who were

1213
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:12,040
present on site now this first was a

1214
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:15,490
landing but not a crash but obviously

1215
00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:16,630
something was damaged because it

1216
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:17,860
couldn't take off again or it made no

1217
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:19,930
effort to take off again I don't think

1218
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:22,750
it was just incapable because I can't

1219
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:24,850
tell you what was wrong with it but it

1220
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:26,830
sounded like from the distance it was

1221
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:30,220
able to continue long after having going

1222
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:33,190
through this triangular configuration or

1223
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:38,350
modulating overpowered idea what they

1224
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:40,330
were doing and so they wouldn't know how

1225
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:43,570
powerful the emissions work that these

1226
00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:47,170
Scout craft which are not interplanetary

1227
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:49,870
vehicles according to what I'm being

1228
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:53,020
told about as far as they come from some

1229
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:56,410
other place or another class or they

1230
00:57:01,440 --> 00:56:58,330
come from a base and that's and that's

1231
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,450
pretty much the sensible thing they came

1232
00:57:07,470 --> 00:57:04,960
from so they fly big Rolls Royces to the

1233
00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:07,480
star system here and then they dispatch

1234
00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:09,940
you goes they could be brought down by

1235
00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:12,280
radar that's one of the things about

1236
00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:15,160
about these these early crash retrieval

1237
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:18,460
you know potential cases being ascribed

1238
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:22,210
to dysfunctionality based on some sort

1239
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:24,220
of radar frequency ie you would think

1240
00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:26,650
something somebody's some you know

1241
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:29,620
civilization coming light-years to this

1242
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:34,170
planet and I can only answer it this way

1243
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:38,290
that's when we think and I'm telling you

1244
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:41,710
what has happened here and because I

1245
00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:44,710
have tons of sites and they are and they

1246
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:49,840
were there the last one there on the

1247
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,130
neck okay

1248
00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:54,400
you said Harry as they were when the Air

1249
00:58:00,540 --> 00:57:56,740
Force left so we're going back to 1953

1250
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:00,550
okay so we're talking about 59 years ago

1251
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:05,830
as we do this show somewhere is it this

1252
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:06,810
location

1253
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:09,310
wouldn't people have visited the area

1254
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:11,470
over the years to look at this place

1255
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:18,970
where UFO landed landed a number of

1256
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:24,560
any learnings about funless from the

1257
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:26,490
cruise saying turn off your laptop's

1258
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,030
turn off your cell phones

1259
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:31,440
something something all right

1260
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:35,280
right nowadays very there are more I

1261
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:36,900
know but I need to finish this Harry

1262
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:39,900
there are more and more reports that the

1263
00:58:45,350 --> 00:58:42,330
airlines are considering allowing people

1264
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,360
to use their mobile equipment and you

1265
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:47,280
know why because they really don't cause

1266
00:59:00,560 --> 00:58:49,650
any damage it's more of a fear than a

1267
00:59:02,510 --> 00:59:00,570
reality in fact well you know what this

1268
00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:02,520
if you look at current reports Airlines

1269
00:59:06,590 --> 00:59:04,740
of seriously considering this it's also

1270
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:06,600
reported that a lot of pilots are using

1271
00:59:13,460 --> 00:59:09,450
iPads I came back from Cincinnati

1272
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:13,470
I was the poncho speakers at but an

1273
00:59:28,790 --> 00:59:27,330
astronaut on symposium and how are you

1274
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:28,800
God let me speak okay we can have a

1275
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:30,420
conversation if you keep talking over me

1276
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,780
okay I understand your point but the

1277
00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:35,760
point is that and you can look it up

1278
00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:38,430
yourself that more and more airlines are

1279
00:59:43,070 --> 00:59:40,620
testing allowing people to use their

1280
00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:43,080
cell phones use their mobile devices

1281
00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:46,200
even during the landing process use

1282
00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:49,230
stuff like an iPad or a Nexus 7 or

1283
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:53,460
something so this is not unusual and as

1284
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:54,990
a matter of fact they're coming to the

1285
00:59:59,780 --> 00:59:57,900
conclusion why we're getting bogged down

1286
01:00:02,420 --> 00:59:59,790
some minutiae here perhaps their

1287
01:00:04,850 --> 01:00:02,430
technology was not aware some for some

1288
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:04,860
reason of the adverse effects of radar

1289
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:06,750
on their inertial navigation or

1290
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:11,850
propulsion you can think Chris that you

1291
01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:13,980
know Chris that erased this advanced

1292
01:00:21,980 --> 01:00:16,350
able to come up with technology that

1293
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:21,990
allows them to travel what disbelief in

1294
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,400
trying to cut to the chase with Harry

1295
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:24,960
here okay let's just

1296
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:27,790
this belief is a spell events dicovered

1297
01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:29,740
I'll take off my suspenders just to

1298
01:00:34,530 --> 01:00:32,080
prove it go ahead the bonnet this was

1299
01:00:38,130 --> 01:00:34,540
really a relatively fast because the UFO

1300
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:38,140
crashes stop and it makes me it's run an

1301
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:40,390
instant to the fact that when you have

1302
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:43,480
aviation problems the its examined

1303
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:45,250
really rapidly dude it's on in the car

1304
01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:48,340
so we can stop like the ops away from

1305
01:00:55,230 --> 01:00:50,020
falling out of the sky or something like

1306
01:00:57,180 --> 01:00:55,240
that and so it kind of fits and a 737

1307
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,190
flying under there something that was so

1308
01:01:02,070 --> 01:00:59,440
severely energized that would kill

1309
01:01:04,650 --> 01:01:02,080
bridge and flight living beings could

1310
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:04,660
possibly affect the avionics of who

1311
01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:07,330
knows and so I don't know that something

1312
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:09,400
happened the cars just glad to go down

1313
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:12,010
they had to bring equipment in from

1314
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:15,070
Nellis Air Force Base and from Camp

1315
01:01:21,870 --> 01:01:18,910
bones and the sheriff and under Kirkman

1316
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:21,880
out the following day and spent 15

1317
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:23,830
minutes trying to get past military

1318
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:28,870
police and no refused really interesting

1319
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:31,390
this is the good stuff here the point is

1320
01:01:37,740 --> 01:01:34,630
here is that let's just admit that it is

1321
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:37,750
speculative to think that these crafts

1322
01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:39,610
might have been brought down by radar we

1323
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:41,860
can guess that we don't know if it's

1324
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:43,570
true it's a possibility

1325
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:45,190
let's just leave it as a possibility

1326
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:48,850
because it may be totally other causes

1327
01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:50,440
it might be that this craft is built by

1328
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:51,640
the lowest bidder on this other planet

1329
01:02:00,420 --> 01:01:56,310
and something broke that happened I like

1330
01:02:04,110 --> 01:02:00,430
I like that concept something accepted

1331
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:04,120
out of clear blue accepted psychic

1332
01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:05,950
abilities of these craft the other one

1333
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:09,820
the recovery ultimately took actually

1334
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:13,450
transfer over a five-day period because

1335
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:15,930
there was nothing here agree with and

1336
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:19,830
they brought the scientists out on a

1337
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:24,100
yellow motor is 2303 military best

1338
01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:28,660
admits back from Camp Roland and they

1339
01:02:34,180 --> 01:02:30,340
picked him up at pinion to take them up

1340
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:34,190
to the very noise

1341
01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:36,140
at the mountain that's on the north east

1342
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:38,990
lower foot of the mountain where the

1343
01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:42,230
desert meets a mountain and on the only

1344
01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:46,190
road that existed them and a weather

1345
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,560
craft was off the road it wasn't on the

1346
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:50,480
road but that's what the only Road it

1347
01:02:57,460 --> 01:02:54,260
was and a report about what transpiring

1348
01:03:00,840 --> 01:02:57,470
that we'll see what is good into Raymond

1349
01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:00,850
Fowler and an interview on April May

1350
01:03:09,070 --> 01:03:06,140
1973 20 years afterwards and it's a very

1351
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:09,080
descriptive and and very accurate and

1352
01:03:14,260 --> 01:03:11,450
part of the problem we found is they've

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done a lot of nobody paying attention to

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some of the witness statements we

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already made the difference is I'm where

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I can devote time to spend literally

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yours line up it was four hundred and

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forty eight square miles of desert and

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not enjoying here and I got it narrowed

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down very fast by Colonel Stevens I

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understand that let's get on with more

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of this in a moment we have Harry Drew

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we have given you art a with Gene and

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Chris you're in the para cast

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scene 1 to save 10% have you ever felt

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like the United States government knows

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way too much about your financial

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affairs I continue to hear stories about

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property seizures frozen bank accounts

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confiscation of stocks and bonds it

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makes me wonder if the US citizen will

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ever again have the right to life

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liberty and the pursuit of happiness

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unfortunately with the drug and money

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laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

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60-45 of 1984 and the trading with the

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executive order of 1933 some precious

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metal holdings are subject to government

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intervention for this reason Midas

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purchase of a per key light the Berkey

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guy is also offering a set of fluoride

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and arsenic filters for only $39.99

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that's over 30 percent off the retail

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increasing nutrient availability and

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converting organic matter into soil

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units this improved seed germination and

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root growth improves plant quality size

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and vegetables and improves shelf life

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and when rain is not in the forecast no

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worries e-m1 improves moisture retention

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in soils helping reduce drought stress

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we'd like to hear from you if you have a

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comment or question about the para cast

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01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:00,310
sent it to news at the para cast com

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:03,670
that's news at the para cast calm and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:08,950
cast community forums at forum dot the

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01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:13,480
para cast comm we have Harry Drew who

1473
01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:16,060
has investigated for many years UFO

1474
01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:18,760
crashes and landings in kingman arizona

1475
01:08:23,070 --> 01:08:21,460
and what makes this all the more

1476
01:08:25,890 --> 01:08:23,080
interesting is that the details you're

1477
01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:25,900
providing harry are far more descriptive

1478
01:08:30,750 --> 01:08:27,910
and anything we know about Roswell I

1479
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:30,760
mean other than the crash and some basic

1480
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:33,010
stuff a lot of the other stuff is very

1481
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:35,500
very highly speculative but you're

1482
01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:37,660
giving us all sorts of inner details

1483
01:08:43,950 --> 01:08:41,500
about the recovery operation is 5-day

1484
01:08:46,770 --> 01:08:43,960
recovery process this is all news to me

1485
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:46,780
Harry you you've grabbed the old bull by

1486
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:48,970
the horns here there should be tons of

1487
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:51,310
documentation or I mean I know you've

1488
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:54,730
dug up a lot of witnesses and and we do

1489
01:08:59,760 --> 01:08:57,130
have a pretty compelling story here but

1490
01:09:05,760 --> 01:08:59,770
what actually do we have in terms of

1491
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:05,770
government documentation about this are

1492
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:09,370
you saying secret documents never admit

1493
01:09:17,309 --> 01:09:16,260
government documents government

1494
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:17,319
documents they don't have to be

1495
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:23,440
necessarily secret with I have

1496
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:26,020
interviews with people who forbid the

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01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:30,490
use of their name for real reasons and I

1498
01:09:36,599 --> 01:09:34,750
in fact went to someone who doesn't want

1499
01:09:42,930 --> 01:09:36,609
his name years but I can give away

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01:09:47,220 --> 01:09:42,940
orders and regard to the third one on

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01:09:50,579 --> 01:09:47,230
the 21st of May I went to the head of

1502
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:50,589
security for the county court of Mojave

1503
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:54,880
and described an area where these two

1504
01:10:01,100 --> 01:09:57,780
strange-looking men are taken and

1505
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:01,110
and I'm we brought in ad but he took me

1506
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:03,180
sir this is an ottoman which nobody can

1507
01:10:09,010 --> 01:10:06,330
go there for decades and he took me

1508
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:09,020
through our security checkpoints and

1509
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:11,490
right up to the very things that I

1510
01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:14,340
described let's go to the Red Lake right

1511
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:19,220
after the what I call the Hualapai hua

1512
01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:24,090
l88 high mountain Kingman Hualapai

1513
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,240
Mountain crash on 18 1953 the military

1514
01:10:34,730 --> 01:10:32,280
finally were able to get the craft

1515
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:34,740
loaded onto an m25 trailer with very

1516
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:37,350
difficulty and get it out of here the

1517
01:10:44,150 --> 01:10:41,640
night over the night of the 22nd prior

1518
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:44,160
to that the scientists came it was so

1519
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:47,670
the 21st of May and an interesting thing

1520
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:51,360
happened five minutes light time away

1521
01:10:55,550 --> 01:10:53,910
from them the same morning of the day

1522
01:11:01,730 --> 01:10:55,560
that the scientists in the Box came

1523
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:01,740
eight UFOs were seen for over an hour by

1524
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,290
a 20-year military pilot by a pilot who

1525
01:11:13,250 --> 01:11:09,540
was contracted by the United States Air

1526
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:13,260
Force to train pilots at curio fields in

1527
01:11:19,190 --> 01:11:16,650
the state of Arizona and they sports

1528
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:19,200
editor from the newspaper in Tuscon

1529
01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:23,250
Arizona five minutes like time away from

1530
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:27,150
the desert like a search for exact like

1531
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:31,770
a search party was no know had gone out

1532
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:34,680
to track was and foosh had been planted

1533
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:39,210
for a fishing derby for youth and they

1534
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:41,850
were out there just by happenstance and

1535
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:45,450
saw a craps and here's the interesting

1536
01:11:53,330 --> 01:11:48,270
thing about that too of the craft were

1537
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:53,340
hovering one on one side and one on the

1538
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:56,970
other side and the six other UFOs were

1539
01:12:05,500 --> 01:11:59,880
doing what were described by both pilots

1540
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:05,510
as military style club fight maneuvers

1541
01:12:11,650 --> 01:12:08,960
five minutes away from was it down and

1542
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,660
loved across court sitting all men the

1543
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:12,800
trickster

1544
01:12:18,910 --> 01:12:16,550
tips his hat again not only have their

1545
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:18,920
names and dates it was covered in the

1546
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:20,780
paper I have everything you know other

1547
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:23,810
way too they're obese you know and this

1548
01:12:28,990 --> 01:12:26,330
is something that they saw and it makes

1549
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:29,000
me wonder I'm not allowed to tell

1550
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:31,010
anybody anything that I don't really

1551
01:12:40,210 --> 01:12:37,540
know speculate and if I see six crafts

1552
01:12:42,730 --> 01:12:40,220
doing dog fight maneuvers and twos

1553
01:12:46,150 --> 01:12:42,740
hitting and he what would be like guard

1554
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,160
positions five minutes away from where

1555
01:12:50,350 --> 01:12:48,320
the airport has got a crafter there it

1556
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:50,360
on the ground I would think maybe

1557
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:52,520
they're thinking about going after it

1558
01:12:59,140 --> 01:12:56,570
and get it I don't know yeah getting

1559
01:13:00,880 --> 01:12:59,150
themselves all pumped up to prepare

1560
01:13:03,730 --> 01:13:00,890
themselves for the Sabres that were

1561
01:13:06,940 --> 01:13:03,740
coming after them Ruben you've done

1562
01:13:09,250 --> 01:13:06,950
quite an extensive job researching

1563
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:09,260
investigating Mexican Roswell as the

1564
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:12,050
title of one of your books does this

1565
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:15,770
type of scenario ring sound familiar to

1566
01:13:23,220 --> 01:13:18,140
you based on your investigations on the

1567
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:23,230
other other crashes with Harry's

1568
01:13:28,330 --> 01:13:26,720
presentation and I'm looking forward to

1569
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:28,340
listening to his presentation at the

1570
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,910
conference the research that both know I

1571
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:33,920
thought it and I have been working on

1572
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:35,930
has dealt with crash retrievals in the

1573
01:13:42,730 --> 01:13:39,890
southwest we have one that happened that

1574
01:13:46,110 --> 01:13:42,740
near Laredo Texas that on the Mexican

1575
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:46,120
side of the border that happened in 1948

1576
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:50,020
supposingly there were two jet

1577
01:13:57,190 --> 01:13:53,420
interceptors call F FA T su supposingly

1578
01:14:00,940 --> 01:13:57,200
it shot down a UFO and this document

1579
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:00,950
came out or was mentioned in a the

1580
01:14:08,530 --> 01:14:04,880
actual MJ document there's a lot to that

1581
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:08,540
story and then we also investigated

1582
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:11,600
another UFO crash that also occurred on

1583
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:14,870
the on the Mexican wall the border near

1584
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:19,250
langtry Texas where in 1955 we have

1585
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:21,860
testimony of a jet fighter pilot an f-86

1586
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:25,850
fighter pilot at the time he flew they

1587
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,290
were flying escort for b-47 bombers and

1588
01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:32,000
this object appeared over their flight

1589
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:34,160
formation and he followed the object he

1590
01:14:37,780 --> 01:14:36,020
had permission and he saw the object

1591
01:14:40,450 --> 01:14:37,790
crash on the opposite side of the book

1592
01:14:42,910 --> 01:14:40,460
on on the other side of the border so we

1593
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:42,920
have his testimony and that's what they

1594
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:45,920
call that book the other Roswell I need

1595
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:47,900
to go back to the first case that I

1596
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:51,310
shared with you the 1948 crash how we

1597
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:54,410
know when we've done some research we we

1598
01:14:59,320 --> 01:14:56,780
actually wrote a book actually no he had

1599
01:15:03,130 --> 01:14:59,330
presented this at the Laredo UFO

1600
01:15:05,410 --> 01:15:03,140
Festival and the title of that book is

1601
01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:05,420
called fallen angel but what we're

1602
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:06,590
starting to see a pattern here

1603
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:10,250
Christopher and as listening to Harry

1604
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,370
about the crash retrieval teams that are

1605
01:15:17,860 --> 01:15:14,960
sent out immediately and then the

1606
01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:17,870
cover-up that takes place then of course

1607
01:15:23,140 --> 01:15:19,790
there's the Mexico's Roswell that we

1608
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:23,150
were involved in the of an of an object

1609
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:25,370
that collided with a small airplane over

1610
01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:28,130
the desert of Chihuahua Mexico in a

1611
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:30,140
little a little area known as Cleon II

1612
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:34,370
and basically that wasn't collided with

1613
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,130
an airplane and the Mexican soldiers

1614
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,440
went to retrieve the airplane they found

1615
01:15:44,770 --> 01:15:42,800
the disk but these guys were all the

1616
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:44,780
soldiers were exposed to something they

1617
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[Music]

1734
01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:10,890
the zone of silence some people who

1735
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:12,550
listen to the show would prefer that

1736
01:21:17,340 --> 01:21:15,850
Chris and I engage in silence and we are

1737
01:21:19,860 --> 01:21:17,350
silent when we have people like Ruben

1738
01:21:22,590 --> 01:21:19,870
Yeerk and Harry Drew on hand to handle

1739
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:22,600
yeah and you've really jazzed me on the

1740
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:24,790
the Kaman case I really don't know that

1741
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:26,440
much about it I really am looking

1742
01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:28,690
forward to speaking with you about it

1743
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:31,870
and also the same Ruben I think it's

1744
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:34,170
really important work you guys are doing

1745
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:36,850
obviously Harry you have really spent

1746
01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:39,610
spent the time in the archives you've

1747
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:41,350
done your digging you've got you've got

1748
01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:43,330
your research down and and really my

1749
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:46,150
hat's off to you to your to your efforts

1750
01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:48,370
and and you too Ruben and Noah thank you

1751
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:51,820
very much thank you very much Ruben has

1752
01:22:01,560 --> 01:21:59,100
well Harry I mean we kinda I'm sorry I

1753
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:01,570
interrupted we wanted to get Ruben in

1754
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:04,180
here we've been dodging traffic lights

1755
01:22:08,970 --> 01:22:06,370
and dead spots trying to keep moving on

1756
01:22:11,370 --> 01:22:08,980
the line I wanna include him you guys

1757
01:22:14,660 --> 01:22:11,380
are both like I said doing a really good

1758
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:14,670
work and the Kingman crash though is a

1759
01:22:20,730 --> 01:22:18,160
standalone event we do have a number of

1760
01:22:23,490 --> 01:22:20,740
eyewitnesses we've got you've been able

1761
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:23,500
to land some really good source sources

1762
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:26,440
wendell stevens you know we could have a

1763
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:28,930
whole show just on wendell but in terms

1764
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,090
of the actual events that you're

1765
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:33,760
describing this this could be a real

1766
01:22:37,860 --> 01:22:36,010
dark horse case i think in the annals of

1767
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:37,870
crash retrievals why don't you talk

1768
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:41,280
further about the the Hualapai Mountain

1769
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,230
event and you were in the midst of

1770
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,480
describing the recovery process there

1771
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:48,880
why don't you continue alright thank you

1772
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:51,130
I'm I really enjoyed listening to Ruben

1773
01:22:56,370 --> 01:22:54,490
and and he hit on something that I had

1774
01:22:59,700 --> 01:22:56,380
suggested before then some of these

1775
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:59,710
early crackers in my and my concern

1776
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:00,400
engineer

1777
01:23:05,610 --> 01:23:03,280
what I mentioned before said he didn't

1778
01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:05,620
know if it was an experimental craft or

1779
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:08,500
a UFO really there when he went with me

1780
01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:11,170
to do drone flights so I could get like

1781
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:13,780
six camera position angles to be able to

1782
01:23:18,959 --> 01:23:16,090
look at the ground at 10 feet 100 feet

1783
01:23:23,459 --> 01:23:18,969
and 300 feet so I could really see what

1784
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:23,469
I need to see and he said whatever it

1785
01:23:27,899 --> 01:23:25,570
was the government swept it under the

1786
01:23:30,990 --> 01:23:27,909
rug and it's really obvious

1787
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:31,000
where the craft was sitting I don't know

1788
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,690
why can't tell you why but an the lower

1789
01:23:39,899 --> 01:23:36,880
background radiation there is 5 times

1790
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:39,909
higher then like if you walk 50 60 feet

1791
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:43,330
away from what was really sitting and it

1792
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:45,010
wasn't damaged so I don't know maybe

1793
01:23:50,820 --> 01:23:47,890
it's sewage from the troughs how would I

1794
01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:50,830
know but for some reason it wasn't

1795
01:23:55,709 --> 01:23:53,800
damaged they had problems the it was

1796
01:23:58,700 --> 01:23:55,719
sitting with an angle and they had

1797
01:24:02,130 --> 01:23:58,710
problems trying to get it up on the m25

1798
01:24:06,630 --> 01:24:02,140
trailer which was built for tanks and

1799
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:06,640
will you house who is deceased talked

1800
01:24:13,290 --> 01:24:10,510
about the same craft because he stated

1801
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:13,300
he saw the craft when it got to grow

1802
01:24:19,649 --> 01:24:16,210
late and that's where the reverse

1803
01:24:22,830 --> 01:24:19,659
engineering story came from and then the

1804
01:24:24,990 --> 01:24:22,840
burst of what we would call area 51 at

1805
01:24:28,020 --> 01:24:25,000
least in the stories I did not research

1806
01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:28,030
all of that that's any more than done

1807
01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:31,989
when Wendell handed off the crew they

1808
01:24:36,330 --> 01:24:33,190
didn't have a need to know about

1809
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:36,340
anything else that was allowed or going

1810
01:24:40,770 --> 01:24:38,170
on with the crew you just cut off from

1811
01:24:45,090 --> 01:24:40,780
the information so they went to load the

1812
01:24:47,459 --> 01:24:45,100
UFO and they delivered up where the boom

1813
01:24:50,669 --> 01:24:47,469
to swing it over under the trailer and

1814
01:24:52,919 --> 01:24:50,679
it would not move they could rush to

1815
01:24:55,860 --> 01:24:52,929
that but they couldn't swing it now this

1816
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:55,870
is from the late Cronus students they

1817
01:25:02,280 --> 01:24:59,699
had to back the trailer a 10:25 tank

1818
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:02,290
transporter trailer underneath it and

1819
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:04,510
shut it down and they were afraid that

1820
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,510
it wasn't going to move from there this

1821
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:09,600
is after they overcome

1822
01:25:13,940 --> 01:25:11,910
of a totem from the crowd that was

1823
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:13,950
causing them to have headaches and throw

1824
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,690
up what are we talking about here we're

1825
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:17,580
talking about actual weight or are we

1826
01:25:20,210 --> 01:25:19,800
talking about some gravitational fields

1827
01:25:24,380 --> 01:25:20,220
effect

1828
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:24,390
the craft remained at a tilt okay when

1829
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:26,250
they set it down on the trailer we're

1830
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,960
number again as told to me and I'm

1831
01:25:36,380 --> 01:25:32,880
destroying I have to take what I'm told

1832
01:25:40,370 --> 01:25:36,390
and then I have to present that and away

1833
01:25:43,730 --> 01:25:40,380
everyone understands as told to let me

1834
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:43,740
make sure when they put that craft down

1835
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:46,590
on the trailer it remained in the air at

1836
01:25:51,650 --> 01:25:49,050
a tilt it shot like it was sitting on

1837
01:25:55,580 --> 01:25:51,660
the ground and it had I did seven

1838
01:25:59,180 --> 01:25:55,590
porosity tests there to determine why it

1839
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:59,190
was 20 inches in the ground the engineer

1840
01:26:03,140 --> 01:26:01,260
that was on site that night giving

1841
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:03,150
fifteen to twenty minutes I don't like

1842
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:04,530
to inspect the crowd

1843
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:07,770
well surely was to determine the rate of

1844
01:26:12,500 --> 01:26:11,070
fall and the solid speed at the time of

1845
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:12,510
impact with the ground on that he came

1846
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:16,170
up with a number like 20 FPS 20 feet per

1847
01:26:21,710 --> 01:26:18,810
second way to fall well you can take a

1848
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:21,720
spoon and hold in your hands right and

1849
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:23,850
dropping it immediately goes to 32 feet

1850
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:25,770
per second per yeah that doesn't make

1851
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:29,400
sense yeah he said that in his report

1852
01:26:34,210 --> 01:26:32,100
this doesn't make sense because this

1853
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:34,220
thing should have been ripped to pieces

1854
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:37,260
can the fluid speed but the family is

1855
01:26:42,230 --> 01:26:40,410
belittling what's natural and so it had

1856
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:42,240
some kind of propulsion or something

1857
01:26:51,170 --> 01:26:48,360
Anna and maybe we have any documentation

1858
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:51,180
to establish these fires this is this is

1859
01:26:57,620 --> 01:26:54,810
taken from the report taken by laymen

1860
01:27:05,240 --> 01:26:57,630
power in an interview with with the

1861
01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:05,250
specialist he intro this is Wendell's

1862
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:08,670
description of the scene no central ok

1863
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:11,190
oh I understand all right I'm sorry boys

1864
01:27:17,630 --> 01:27:14,520
yeah and just think you know physicist

1865
01:27:20,180 --> 01:27:17,640
and all of that stuff anyway the craft

1866
01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:20,190
was loaded onto a trailer and it didn't

1867
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:21,260
settle all the way

1868
01:27:25,930 --> 01:27:22,850
gravity with Nolan because under his

1869
01:27:28,050 --> 01:27:25,940
legs hot so they popped it out for sure

1870
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:28,060
would fall when they start to move and

1871
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:30,290
they took that attitude or an or

1872
01:27:38,110 --> 01:27:34,239
direction it went and the core had

1873
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:38,120
engineers had a Breyers ready and they

1874
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:41,330
put it on a barge above the dam up on

1875
01:27:46,330 --> 01:27:43,790
the Colorado and took it from there

1876
01:27:48,850 --> 01:27:46,340
straight up you know it's a blue light

1877
01:27:52,210 --> 01:27:48,860
if you've been up that direction that

1878
01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:52,220
it's incredibly easy to do it that way

1879
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,300
gene have you ever heard that type of

1880
01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:00,800
gravitational effect recovery operation

1881
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:04,190
that that that's that's really amazing

1882
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:06,110
that's very unusual I think part of the

1883
01:28:10,690 --> 01:28:08,090
thing is we don't hear of anything in

1884
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:10,700
so-called recovery effects more than

1885
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:12,770
just putting a craft on a truck or a

1886
01:28:16,540 --> 01:28:14,390
trailer or something and taking it off

1887
01:28:18,430 --> 01:28:16,550
this almost sounds like the scene in the

1888
01:28:20,830 --> 01:28:18,440
movie independent state where without

1889
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:20,840
the tethers the craft would float an

1890
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:26,000
area 51 remember that scene its life

1891
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:29,690
right hmm maybe the people who wrote the

1892
01:28:41,229 --> 01:28:32,510
script for Independence Day or heard

1893
01:28:42,729 --> 01:28:41,239
about Kingman this is great this is good

1894
01:28:47,470 --> 01:28:42,739
stuff I can't wait to talk to you later

1895
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:47,480
about it okay you want to hear about the

1896
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:49,250
Red Lake crash so everybody knows it's

1897
01:28:55,930 --> 01:28:52,130
in Kingman Arizona everybody seems to

1898
01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:55,940
think it's a went over and Mexico and

1899
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:58,130
there probably is one on New Mexico the

1900
01:29:06,850 --> 01:29:01,040
Red Lake crash occurred four days later

1901
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:06,860
on the 22nd and the other crafts already

1902
01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:10,010
was wrong and it was handy because the

1903
01:29:14,620 --> 01:29:12,230
recovery team part of the recovery came

1904
01:29:15,970 --> 01:29:14,630
was still here and the other one coming

1905
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:15,980
down it had the same kind of a problem

1906
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:18,920
on going from north to south that was a

1907
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:21,290
bike path of both crafts she ought to

1908
01:29:27,610 --> 01:29:25,130
request which is three and it clipped

1909
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:27,620
the top of a beaut

1910
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:30,290
an aviation historian and museum curator

1911
01:29:33,340 --> 01:29:31,280
told me about it

1912
01:29:36,490 --> 01:29:33,350
that it went down at full tank and it

1913
01:29:38,890 --> 01:29:36,500
was someone connected who consoled

1914
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:38,900
people that work at area 51 okay that

1915
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,170
was a job and so it is kind of like on

1916
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:44,480
the Qt thought it was a food tank that's

1917
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:49,010
a word in Arizona for a dirt dam with a

1918
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:51,230
reservoir behind it of water for

1919
01:29:57,790 --> 01:29:54,410
livestock and Wildlife and he found

1920
01:29:59,710 --> 01:29:57,800
through tank on a map and then found it

1921
01:30:02,290 --> 01:29:59,720
on the ground and I'm with him out there

1922
01:30:04,030 --> 01:30:02,300
and he had found nothing and I did the

1923
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:04,040
same thing with my consulting engineer

1924
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:06,290
with adjoin flights in the area and I

1925
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:07,970
got to share then I write people don't

1926
01:30:16,540 --> 01:30:12,320
they can't see and I found the impact

1927
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:16,550
scar or ricocheted off the boots organ

1928
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:19,610
shot the reservoir and crash on the

1929
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:21,470
other place and then again two more of

1930
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,530
the crash at Kingman that Parra tree is

1931
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:26,000
referring to so we have Reuben your art

1932
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2022
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2023
01:34:58,929 --> 01:34:56,049
hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

2024
01:35:06,549 --> 01:34:58,939
parrot cast and it's as good as it gets

2025
01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:06,559
believing with Harry Drew who has been

2026
01:35:12,129 --> 01:35:10,820
many years studying the crashes over at

2027
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,139
Kingman Arizona

2028
01:35:16,270 --> 01:35:14,719
Ruben uart a joining us with Jean and

2029
01:35:19,209 --> 01:35:16,280
Chris you're in the para cast and we

2030
01:35:21,159 --> 01:35:19,219
were immersed in a very lengthy

2031
01:35:23,979 --> 01:35:21,169
conversation with Harry please yeah

2032
01:35:25,689 --> 01:35:23,989
there's a fascinating stuff okay

2033
01:35:28,379 --> 01:35:25,699
I can't talk about hearing notable

2034
01:35:34,989 --> 01:35:28,389
things going on anyway

2035
01:35:35,949 --> 01:35:34,999
the redheaded crash 19 miles north in

2036
01:35:37,839 --> 01:35:35,959
Arizona

2037
01:35:42,099 --> 01:35:37,849
Red Lake is right there which is right

2038
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,109
on the southwesterly end of what is

2039
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:44,719
called Red Lake and at overshot a

2040
01:35:51,729 --> 01:35:48,249
reservoir in Arizona called Soutine and

2041
01:35:53,310 --> 01:35:51,739
few of the crew survived the crash while

2042
01:35:56,259 --> 01:35:53,320
third of the crew survived

2043
01:36:01,149 --> 01:35:56,269
- it's really undertaking the Nellis and

2044
01:36:04,679 --> 01:36:01,159
died or at least hold on before you go

2045
01:36:09,939 --> 01:36:04,689
any further how do we know this oh I

2046
01:36:11,969 --> 01:36:09,949
know this first off it comes from long

2047
01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:11,979
since deceased

2048
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,169
rancher wondered Neil who was approached

2049
01:36:18,819 --> 01:36:17,119
by a convoy of military vehicles who

2050
01:36:21,339 --> 01:36:18,829
were offered to ride them assistance

2051
01:36:24,489 --> 01:36:21,349
because he along it most of the family

2052
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:24,499
watch this thing go down and first thing

2053
01:36:28,599 --> 01:36:26,089
that happened is the military brought

2054
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:28,609
that him to just see where he is going

2055
01:36:35,770 --> 01:36:31,489
the house and not come out because the

2056
01:36:38,649 --> 01:36:35,780
military was a war and lindo Stevens

2057
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:38,659
once again was aware of this and will

2058
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:41,449
you house look at well this and he talks

2059
01:36:47,290 --> 01:36:43,280
about it in an interview that I have

2060
01:36:48,969 --> 01:36:47,300
where a crash along in alignment with

2061
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:48,979
what is called the sir bat mountains

2062
01:36:58,339 --> 01:36:55,669
from my family and I have this

2063
01:37:00,609 --> 01:36:58,349
information as late as now remember that

2064
01:37:03,709 --> 01:37:00,619
I am NOT people that I mentioned

2065
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:03,719
agencies are not endorsing my work they

2066
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:05,489
never do that especially for government

2067
01:37:11,569 --> 01:37:08,610
but I had in July as late as this July

2068
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:11,579
BLM confirmed the fact that not only

2069
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:14,280
does a family which is very large

2070
01:37:20,509 --> 01:37:17,280
because it was like a counterbalance

2071
01:37:22,989 --> 01:37:20,519
that from the eighth 1882 and took over

2072
01:37:28,069 --> 01:37:22,999
the basically total of the area and

2073
01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:28,079
mostly friendly and everybody's cousin

2074
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:33,420
and so it's in house secret basically

2075
01:37:40,969 --> 01:37:37,440
and the man I was thinking this at the

2076
01:37:44,540 --> 01:37:40,979
end is one of them and and the aviation

2077
01:37:46,459 --> 01:37:44,550
Australian is another and and then of

2078
01:37:49,339 --> 01:37:46,469
course he dinner because he's a

2079
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:49,349
historian and a curator he did

2080
01:37:54,020 --> 01:37:51,780
interviews with with his own relatives

2081
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:54,030
about the same thing and I going oh yeah

2082
01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:56,639
this is this way it's so common

2083
01:38:02,180 --> 01:37:59,340
knowledge with the elderly really older

2084
01:38:06,140 --> 01:38:02,190
people here I would stunned I was doing

2085
01:38:08,450 --> 01:38:06,150
a stand-up firm thing down by the 1910

2086
01:38:10,729 --> 01:38:08,460
Courthouse on a Sunday to have some

2087
01:38:12,049 --> 01:38:10,739
quiet and a gentleman with two

2088
01:38:14,839 --> 01:38:12,059
grandchildren come out of the church

2089
01:38:16,189 --> 01:38:14,849
next to the building and came over and

2090
01:38:18,529 --> 01:38:16,199
asked what I was doing and he said oh

2091
01:38:20,810 --> 01:38:18,539
yeah we just searched he was telling me

2092
01:38:21,649 --> 01:38:20,820
things I haven't heard yet you know

2093
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:21,659
what's amazing

2094
01:38:28,009 --> 01:38:24,449
and so it's like they aren't going to

2095
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,019
talk and that's explained and both the

2096
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:31,199
first time valuation hidden in plain

2097
01:38:38,029 --> 01:38:34,199
sight the cannot UFO crashes which was a

2098
01:38:40,819 --> 01:38:38,039
true it's a pre-release I kind of

2099
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:40,829
terminal approach the king of the

2100
01:38:45,589 --> 01:38:43,170
crashes which right now has been

2101
01:38:48,259 --> 01:38:45,599
considered for some other things beyond

2102
01:38:50,129 --> 01:38:48,269
just my doing the documentary DVD on it

2103
01:38:58,989 --> 01:38:50,139
so

2104
01:39:03,250 --> 01:38:58,999
along the lu han's along with the late

2105
01:39:05,139 --> 01:39:03,260
Colonel Wendell Stevens and I feel that

2106
01:39:08,739 --> 01:39:05,149
there's enough information based on that

2107
01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:08,749
and the fact after inspecting and I feel

2108
01:39:14,829 --> 01:39:12,649
like Harry I know that this is gonna get

2109
01:39:16,599 --> 01:39:14,839
confusing but there's so much my new

2110
01:39:19,809 --> 01:39:16,609
sheet here that we have to kind of step

2111
01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:19,819
back and look at this okay once again we

2112
01:39:23,349 --> 01:39:21,409
have the original incident you told us

2113
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:23,359
about which was basically a landing but

2114
01:39:27,279 --> 01:39:25,129
not a crash but it seemed that the craft

2115
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:27,289
was unable to take off again and then we

2116
01:39:31,299 --> 01:39:29,030
have a crash you're telling us about now

2117
01:39:36,579 --> 01:39:31,309
how many total incidents are we dealing

2118
01:39:38,919 --> 01:39:36,589
with in kingman he was beyond the second

2119
01:39:41,979 --> 01:39:38,929
one he was talking about the third it's

2120
01:39:44,549 --> 01:39:41,989
not my fault I went looking to see if

2121
01:39:47,949 --> 01:39:44,559
there had ever been a Kingman crash

2122
01:39:50,049 --> 01:39:47,959
because the stories are there was and

2123
01:39:53,699 --> 01:39:50,059
the stories are they're wrong you know

2124
01:39:56,559 --> 01:39:53,709
or never was and so what happened was

2125
01:39:59,199 --> 01:39:56,569
and if you listen to the story even from

2126
01:40:02,799 --> 01:39:59,209
the witnesses and the information that I

2127
01:40:05,799 --> 01:40:02,809
presume is that there were two crashes

2128
01:40:07,839 --> 01:40:05,809
that were known and though and over the

2129
01:40:11,799 --> 01:40:07,849
years that went by they were blended

2130
01:40:14,349 --> 01:40:11,809
into one crash and the description of

2131
01:40:17,559 --> 01:40:14,359
the location and stuff was blended and

2132
01:40:20,259 --> 01:40:17,569
and then finally in the last 15 to 20

2133
01:40:22,270 --> 01:40:20,269
years the exaggerator's have illuminated

2134
01:40:26,739 --> 01:40:22,280
the cross altogether and there was

2135
01:40:28,270 --> 01:40:26,749
nothing and but there were two crashes

2136
01:40:30,729 --> 01:40:28,280
one on the 18th

2137
01:40:32,799 --> 01:40:30,739
well I'm sorry there was a landing of a

2138
01:40:36,869 --> 01:40:32,809
flying saucer that's what they call it

2139
01:40:41,169 --> 01:40:36,879
okay and so it isn't unidentified and

2140
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:41,179
it's line saucer elongated 30 feet in

2141
01:40:47,589 --> 01:40:43,489
length approximately 18 feet in diameter

2142
01:40:51,059 --> 01:40:47,599
14 feet and the center cupola of the

2143
01:40:54,339 --> 01:40:51,069
craft as far as height versus width and

2144
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:54,349
which I have drawings of a little and

2145
01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:56,610
the scientist that was there

2146
01:41:05,149 --> 01:41:01,139
and the other craft went down four days

2147
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:05,159
later on the 22nd or 5 days later after

2148
01:41:10,879 --> 01:41:09,000
4 days later and then and then if that

2149
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:10,889
isn't enough problems for people living

2150
01:41:18,770 --> 01:41:14,880
on a 3,500 member population town of

2151
01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:18,780
Kingman Arizona in 1953 a third one

2152
01:41:24,919 --> 01:41:22,139
comes along and it's like the 24th of

2153
01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:24,929
May and it slams right snappier than his

2154
01:41:31,399 --> 01:41:28,500
face coming coming from the north going

2155
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:31,409
south at the North Face of the Hualapai

2156
01:41:38,180 --> 01:41:33,960
Mountain and instantaneously set it on

2157
01:41:41,209 --> 01:41:38,190
fire and which the responses they've got

2158
01:41:43,090 --> 01:41:41,219
to put the fire out and at the scene of

2159
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:43,100
the fire two men

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01:41:49,310 --> 01:41:46,880
inappropriately dressed for the area and

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01:41:53,570 --> 01:41:49,320
strange looking by description by the

2162
01:41:56,450 --> 01:41:53,580
even a local newspaper were apprehended

2163
01:41:58,970 --> 01:41:56,460
and they were escorted by a Forest

2164
01:42:03,590 --> 01:41:58,980
Service Worker to the sheriff's office

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01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:03,600
in 1910 lobby county courthouse basement

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01:42:09,500 --> 01:42:06,719
which is below grade meaning there are

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01:42:13,010 --> 01:42:09,510
no doors and windows to the outside it

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01:42:15,379 --> 01:42:13,020
is a cast-in-place concrete and steel

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01:42:17,689 --> 01:42:15,389
reinforced structure that still stands

2170
01:42:20,270 --> 01:42:17,699
it has a ceiling which would be a four

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01:42:23,450 --> 01:42:20,280
on the next floor above about 14 inches

2172
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:23,460
the concrete outside walls we're way out

2173
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:26,010
and it was the sheriff's office with

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01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:28,110
four deputies and three and there were

2175
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:30,090
locked doors two doors to get in and out

2176
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,050
of the the main area these two people to

2177
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:37,199
strange-looking and were put in and a

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01:42:41,180 --> 01:42:39,510
was later called an interrogation room

2179
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:41,190
they call it a detention room at the

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01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:44,010
time lockdown because the sheriff wasn't

2181
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:47,580
there this is this is like Mayberry and

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01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,770
he's down at the string pushing or

2183
01:42:54,379 --> 01:42:51,360
whatever I'm just choosing it

2184
01:42:56,649 --> 01:42:54,389
we had a big job that did the chase

2185
01:43:00,020 --> 01:42:56,659
brother cut to the chase what happened

2186
01:43:01,939 --> 01:43:00,030
yeah what happened they got to stay got

2187
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:01,949
to sure if the two guys who relapsed in

2188
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:04,830
the the two looking men are locked in

2189
01:43:07,550 --> 01:43:05,369
the room

2190
01:43:09,290 --> 01:43:07,560
the Forest Service Worker sits on an

2191
01:43:10,130 --> 01:43:09,300
open bench outside the door which is

2192
01:43:12,980 --> 01:43:10,140
there

2193
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:12,990
I have photos of that and the shirt came

2194
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:15,090
up he was bleaching up and pull them up

2195
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:17,460
in the door they stepped in nobody

2196
01:43:29,740 --> 01:43:26,340
within that room the trickster yeah of

2197
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:29,750
course that document is from the museum

2198
01:43:40,340 --> 01:43:37,040
yeah and and made front page as far as

2199
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:40,350
the strange looking in got down another

2200
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:42,770
thing the interesting thing to me

2201
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:45,360
because I'm not sure this slippery up

2202
01:43:50,330 --> 01:43:47,130
because it'll be with criminal approach

2203
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:50,340
is this happening another time and there

2204
01:43:54,620 --> 01:43:51,600
was a different kind of response but

2205
01:43:58,130 --> 01:43:54,630
this time the sheriff did nothing he

2206
01:44:01,100 --> 01:43:58,140
didn't have him kill the building close

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01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:01,110
off the roads open any to Kingman and

2208
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:04,500
issue an ATP beauty nothing that was

2209
01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:07,770
like let's all grab dinner and two guys

2210
01:44:16,340 --> 01:44:13,470
to the identified only up during the USO

2211
01:44:19,330 --> 01:44:16,350
Kyle at the Museum and they just

2212
01:44:23,090 --> 01:44:19,340
vanished off the face of the earth I

2213
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:23,100
can't tell you how vanished my face of

2214
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:24,330
the earth they just disappeared they

2215
01:44:31,820 --> 01:44:29,390
beamed up they said Scotty beating up

2216
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,830
the guy sitting at the door they got

2217
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:34,080
past four deputies with not real app

2218
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,890
doors nobody's there right on you know

2219
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:39,840
right at the end of the episode boom

2220
01:44:48,620 --> 01:44:45,060
Scotty get us out of here boom yeah I

2221
01:44:51,140 --> 01:44:48,630
can't do that a person might speculate

2222
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:51,150
that they were they were sending a

2223
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:53,250
message out to the people and I could

2224
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:55,650
for service work on a deputy we aren't

2225
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:58,110
the droids you want or something you

2226
01:45:05,690 --> 01:44:59,760
know right out of like what you see in a

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science fiction with Star Wars I I'll

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tell you what I know this that we're

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talking to Harry drew and Rubin your Tay

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with gene and Chris until we beam up and

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I know some of our critics have said

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that we should have beamed up a long

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here's Jane Steinberg beam me up Scotty

2294
01:48:08,939 --> 01:48:05,579
no I actually have some sound effects of

2295
01:48:10,649 --> 01:48:08,949
the transporter but we won't use them

2296
01:48:13,229 --> 01:48:10,659
because they're probably copyrighted

2297
01:48:15,569 --> 01:48:13,239
harry drew and Ruben d'arte with gene

2298
01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:15,579
and Chris of the power cast focusing

2299
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:18,280
very heavily on a series of UFO related

2300
01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:21,520
events in Kingman Arizona let's find out

2301
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:23,320
from Ruben what you're gonna be

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01:48:28,770 --> 01:48:26,530
presenting at UFO Con this coming

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01:48:31,140 --> 01:48:28,780
weekend in San Francisco down Sarah

2304
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,150
Santa Clara Marriott Ruben what are you

2305
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:33,520
gonna be talking about I'm actually the

2306
01:48:37,589 --> 01:48:35,320
first speaker that kicked off the event

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01:48:40,589 --> 01:48:37,599
the entire conference when they gave me

2308
01:48:43,379 --> 01:48:40,599
the honor doing that but if it's only

2309
01:48:45,870 --> 01:48:43,389
for a 30-minute presentation I'll be

2310
01:48:48,359 --> 01:48:45,880
sharing the podium with with my former

2311
01:48:51,839 --> 01:48:48,369
assistant State Director Lester Velez

2312
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:51,849
who will be talking about opus which is

2313
01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:53,290
our organization paranormal or

2314
01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:55,480
understanding and support in an

2315
01:48:59,939 --> 01:48:58,840
organization to assist abductees or

2316
01:49:03,089 --> 01:48:59,949
people who have had paranormal

2317
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:03,099
experiences we have a I sit on their

2318
01:49:08,609 --> 01:49:05,770
board and we have a referral network

2319
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:08,619
where we have like iris or

2320
01:49:14,549 --> 01:49:11,110
hypnotherapist heroes who will these

2321
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:14,559
people now my presentation it's a little

2322
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:18,610
bit of everything I why I got involved

2323
01:49:24,060 --> 01:49:21,730
in this whole phenomena I I'm gonna be

2324
01:49:27,299 --> 01:49:24,070
talking about the research that both my

2325
01:49:29,459 --> 01:49:27,309
co-author and no and I have done in the

2326
01:49:32,669 --> 01:49:29,469
southwest on the three crash retrieval

2327
01:49:35,370 --> 01:49:32,679
cases while we would be talking about

2328
01:49:38,459 --> 01:49:35,380
the aliens in the forest the that was

2329
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,469
the last time you had it's on about the

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01:49:44,060 --> 01:49:41,199
gentleman that the bow and arrow on

2331
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:44,070
which generated an incredible amount of

2332
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:47,110
activity on that particular show threat

2333
01:49:53,490 --> 01:49:50,770
at forum dr. Park as calm it was one of

2334
01:49:56,250 --> 01:49:53,500
the most popular threads for months we

2335
01:49:58,239 --> 01:49:56,260
when I I know you tuned in and chimed in

2336
01:50:00,729 --> 01:49:58,249
once or twice but

2337
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:00,739
in a fascinating case so what what other

2338
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:04,130
things you're gonna be covering talking

2339
01:50:09,759 --> 01:50:07,760
about as well as MUFON in general but I

2340
01:50:10,660 --> 01:50:09,769
have some statistics I wanted to share

2341
01:50:13,419 --> 01:50:10,670
with you actually you're the first

2342
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:13,429
you're the first radio show I'm going to

2343
01:50:17,259 --> 01:50:15,170
share this because I think what people

2344
01:50:21,250 --> 01:50:17,269
need to know is what's happening in our

2345
01:50:22,989 --> 01:50:21,260
skies and because I am the Northern

2346
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:22,999
California State Director and I'm also

2347
01:50:28,509 --> 01:50:26,170
involved as the deputy director of

2348
01:50:32,649 --> 01:50:28,519
investigation so I report directly to

2349
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:32,659
our director of Investigation who I see

2350
01:50:37,089 --> 01:50:34,489
the international scene I work closely

2351
01:50:40,299 --> 01:50:37,099
with other countries but I want but in

2352
01:50:42,580 --> 01:50:40,309
terms of categories and statistics we

2353
01:50:46,089 --> 01:50:42,590
have a database of that gene and

2354
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:46,099
interest that we started in year 2000

2355
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:50,320
and up to now we've had over 38,000

2356
01:50:57,129 --> 01:50:52,729
cases that have been reported to us

2357
01:51:01,390 --> 01:50:57,139
sightings just a variety of Perm object

2358
01:51:04,359 --> 01:51:01,400
we have 23 categories where shapes of

2359
01:51:08,609 --> 01:51:04,369
object that people report ranging from

2360
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,619
star like circles sphere triangles disc

2361
01:51:14,649 --> 01:51:10,719
fireballs Agard

2362
01:51:17,229 --> 01:51:14,659
egg-shaped boomerang and that one thing

2363
01:51:21,870 --> 01:51:17,239
I had that Harry was talking about is

2364
01:51:25,989 --> 01:51:21,880
the big thing about the objects that are

2365
01:51:29,529 --> 01:51:25,999
landing hovering I mean find it right

2366
01:51:30,879 --> 01:51:29,539
here landing coverings and takeoff and I

2367
01:51:33,549 --> 01:51:30,889
want to give you I have a brother

2368
01:51:36,370 --> 01:51:33,559
breakdown those statistics here back in

2369
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:36,380
my teeth I only focus on four years from

2370
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:40,610
year 2000 we had in the year 2009 we had

2371
01:51:47,850 --> 01:51:44,960
over 337 the courts of landing coverings

2372
01:51:51,489 --> 01:51:47,860
and takeoff following the year we had

2373
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:51,499
279 so it dropped down I dropped down

2374
01:51:58,779 --> 01:51:55,610
slightly 258 in year 2011 right now

2375
01:52:01,660 --> 01:51:58,789
although it's 2012 I only have eight

2376
01:52:07,899 --> 01:52:01,670
months of reports that we have 137 but

2377
01:52:09,759 --> 01:52:07,909
so here we have 337 in 2009 of reports

2378
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:09,769
of landing covering two takeoffs and

2379
01:52:14,660 --> 01:52:12,090
then it goes down too high

2380
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:14,670
37 the reason why I bring that up is

2381
01:52:23,089 --> 01:52:19,250
that I'm really more fascinated with the

2382
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:23,099
reported entities the reports on

2383
01:52:28,939 --> 01:52:26,730
entities that might be tied in with the

2384
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:28,949
actual landings or possibly with

2385
01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:31,560
abductions they're going to give you a

2386
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:33,239
snapshot what happened here

2387
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:38,010
we had over 391 reports of of entities

2388
01:52:46,339 --> 01:52:42,030
back in 2009 it dropped down to 141 in

2389
01:52:52,129 --> 01:52:46,349
2010 and really dropped down to 69 so

2390
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:52,139
from 3 3 391 reports 269 now it's gone

2391
01:52:59,660 --> 01:52:57,210
up to 149 149 reports in 2012 yeah I

2392
01:53:04,550 --> 01:52:59,670
know people get bored with statistics

2393
01:53:06,530 --> 01:53:04,560
but when you're able to analyze what

2394
01:53:11,209 --> 01:53:06,540
what the heck is happening in our skies

2395
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:11,219
by by type by shapes of objects you know

2396
01:53:15,050 --> 01:53:12,780
I can tell you like company I have the

2397
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:15,060
same breakdown for for flying saucers

2398
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:18,449
oval shapes boomerangs so guess what's

2399
01:53:22,910 --> 01:53:21,210
the biggest most reported statistic wise

2400
01:53:24,919 --> 01:53:22,920
what what shape would Archie being

2401
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:24,929
reported up there Chris

2402
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:28,400
I mean either an orb or a triangle

2403
01:53:34,399 --> 01:53:30,810
actually yeah I have to break down the

2404
01:53:42,020 --> 01:53:34,409
triangles and and I'll give you that

2405
01:53:45,129 --> 01:53:42,030
first and then I'm for triangle as I

2406
01:53:48,020 --> 01:53:45,139
have it broken down in three categories

2407
01:53:49,970 --> 01:53:48,030
I have a birth broken out by triangles

2408
01:53:52,729 --> 01:53:49,980
and then of course there's the Chevron

2409
01:53:58,330 --> 01:53:52,739
or the V shape objects and in terms of

2410
01:54:01,280 --> 01:53:58,340
boomerangs but four or four triangles

2411
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:01,290
for triangle and so we're talking about

2412
01:54:07,490 --> 01:54:05,090
the Belgium type triangles there many I

2413
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:07,500
combined them all together boomerang

2414
01:54:12,140 --> 01:54:10,110
triangle it's at night it's really hard

2415
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:12,150
to determine shape so we're talking

2416
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:14,610
about arrays of lights basically which

2417
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:16,980
which to me is is not very accurate but

2418
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:19,679
just kind of lump them all together for

2419
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:25,920
us just in 2009 I'm

2420
01:54:31,070 --> 01:54:28,650
I'm looking at about over close to about

2421
01:54:34,370 --> 01:54:31,080
cases of triangles Bloomington's and

2422
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:34,380
shape objects but and then when it comes

2423
01:54:44,419 --> 01:54:39,870
to spheres and these are the orbs then

2424
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:44,429
I'm looking at this is a big one ah I

2425
01:54:50,330 --> 01:54:46,320
know I'm going to give number on the

2426
01:54:51,919 --> 01:54:50,340
triangles I missed that I mean the

2427
01:54:54,050 --> 01:54:51,929
numbers on there on the triangle or

2428
01:54:59,800 --> 01:54:54,060
Chevron or boomerang shapes what was the

2429
01:55:02,900 --> 01:54:59,810
composite number I have to total them up

2430
01:55:03,709 --> 01:55:02,910
but it's close to a thousand reports

2431
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:03,719
okay

2432
01:55:10,300 --> 01:55:07,170
thousand two thousand and twelve so far

2433
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:10,310
okay how about about spheres or orbs

2434
01:55:17,180 --> 01:55:13,920
these are the biggest one it's so far in

2435
01:55:20,180 --> 01:55:17,190
eight months eight months of data I'm

2436
01:55:21,650 --> 01:55:20,190
talking from January to September where

2437
01:55:23,540 --> 01:55:21,660
I have over a thousand six hundred

2438
01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:23,550
fifty-five reports I still have four

2439
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:25,710
months of data to wait for that's going

2440
01:55:35,419 --> 01:55:29,040
to be the biggest category yeah but as

2441
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,429
soon as much why I mean it's an

2442
01:55:40,459 --> 01:55:37,920
interesting we need to take a good look

2443
01:55:42,530 --> 01:55:40,469
at that's pretty easy to figure out why

2444
01:55:44,780 --> 01:55:42,540
we're dealing with plasma effects that

2445
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:44,790
tend to shield the shape of an object

2446
01:55:52,580 --> 01:55:48,000
behind it oftentimes appearing to be an

2447
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:52,590
orb or oval-shaped light glowing light

2448
01:55:58,189 --> 01:55:55,530
that tends to morph a little bit and you

2449
01:56:01,970 --> 01:55:58,199
can't really make out outlines some

2450
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:01,980
people have had witnesses describe the

2451
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:04,410
geodesic patterns of lights inside with

2452
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,590
in New York something that that's how if

2453
01:56:11,780 --> 01:56:09,360
they get very close enough to give a

2454
01:56:14,300 --> 01:56:11,790
description of it right but the other

2455
01:56:17,979 --> 01:56:14,310
thing is that an are in their early

2456
01:56:21,380 --> 01:56:17,989
conversation about Airlines and and that

2457
01:56:24,590 --> 01:56:21,390
so many of these orbs do follow or have

2458
01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:24,600
a tendency of following passenger plane

2459
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:26,550
and we've got we have we have had

2460
01:56:31,939 --> 01:56:29,850
reports from premier line pilot via from

2461
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our North cap which is the National

2462
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Aviation record center for anomalous

2463
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phenomena the quest and the big concern

2464
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is the technology that these things

2465
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can interfere with with the white

2466
01:56:48,620 --> 01:56:47,190
systems of these aircraft to the point

2467
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that it could be a safety issue that's

2468
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:50,910
been the biggest concern you're dealing

2469
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with the technology that's that's beyond

2470
01:56:58,400 --> 01:56:55,770
what we have and if obviously it can

2471
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affect our flight systems or aircraft or

2472
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you can be able to knock out our

2473
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electrical grid systems perhaps or even

2474
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:08,640
even stocking cars I mean we've had so

2475
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many cases right we don't know that we

2476
01:57:16,730 --> 01:57:13,950
haven't established a direct connection

2477
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yet scientifically but to err on the

2478
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side of safety and better judgment

2479
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obviously this would be a safety concern

2480
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to the FAA and and to other government

2481
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officials obviously obviously we have a

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break right now we have Ruben Norte

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in the power cast we have Harry drool

2578
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:05,710
and Ruben your Tay

2579
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:09,040
when we broke Chris was talking with

2580
02:02:14,580 --> 02:02:12,850
Ruben about different reports and

2581
02:02:17,490 --> 02:02:14,590
different theories let's continue with

2582
02:02:20,250 --> 02:02:17,500
that so Ruben so we have what a thousand

2583
02:02:23,220 --> 02:02:20,260
let's say roughly triangle Chevron

2584
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:23,230
boomerang-shaped objects versus sixteen

2585
02:02:28,860 --> 02:02:26,890
hundred Spears yeah so so Spears is

2586
02:02:32,580 --> 02:02:28,870
number one triangles will be number two

2587
02:02:35,460 --> 02:02:32,590
what would be number three so

2588
02:02:37,950 --> 02:02:35,470
conventional structured flying disc type

2589
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:37,960
you know bottom backs disc type reports

2590
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:40,000
there's another category called oval

2591
02:02:44,940 --> 02:02:42,730
shape which might I think I was combined

2592
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:44,950
out with the flying saucers it could be

2593
02:02:51,060 --> 02:02:48,010
a sphere two looked on you know from an

2594
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:51,070
oblique angle or something yeah you have

2595
02:02:54,120 --> 02:02:52,570
to break it down into daylight and

2596
02:02:57,090 --> 02:02:54,130
nighttime obviously to get a real

2597
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:57,100
accurate sampling of what you're looking

2598
02:03:03,810 --> 02:03:00,400
at here you're gonna be addressing this

2599
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:03,820
you know a kind of rudimentary pattern

2600
02:03:08,970 --> 02:03:06,730
recognition you know sort of looking at

2601
02:03:11,610 --> 02:03:08,980
patterns of these sighting reports and

2602
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:11,620
you're gonna be talking about some of

2603
02:03:16,650 --> 02:03:14,410
your work with no II obviously who else

2604
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:16,660
are you looking forward to you know

2605
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:18,370
sitting in on their lecture

2606
02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:20,290
besides our present company here Harry

2607
02:03:26,130 --> 02:03:23,260
and myself I'd be honored with you watch

2608
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:26,140
me who else besides Richard Doland and

2609
02:03:33,470 --> 02:03:30,130
Michael schrott myself and Harry are you

2610
02:03:35,790 --> 02:03:33,480
interested in watching at the conference

2611
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:35,800
right there there are some other

2612
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:39,040
interesting speakers but uh and I'm

2613
02:03:42,660 --> 02:03:41,050
hoping you know it is when you're in a

2614
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:42,670
conference he did a lot of networking

2615
02:03:47,130 --> 02:03:44,890
and what I'll be doing all of the work

2616
02:03:49,980 --> 02:03:47,140
that I really would like to listen to

2617
02:03:52,350 --> 02:03:49,990
Richard and Harry yourself possibly

2618
02:03:54,420 --> 02:03:52,360
Darryl I know Darryl now forever I've

2619
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:54,430
met him but they'll be talking on that

2620
02:04:00,150 --> 02:03:57,040
so politics so it's kind of interesting

2621
02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:00,160
that we this conference we have what I

2622
02:04:04,020 --> 02:04:03,490
call more nuts and bolts researchers and

2623
02:04:07,700 --> 02:04:04,030
then you have

2624
02:04:09,870 --> 02:04:07,710
go into the esoteric or enter their own

2625
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:09,880
theories that are way out there so

2626
02:04:15,330 --> 02:04:12,639
they've asked a broad net with speakers

2627
02:04:17,970 --> 02:04:15,340
this year for their inaugural year

2628
02:04:18,689 --> 02:04:17,980
Victoria Jack's is probably scratching

2629
02:04:20,970 --> 02:04:18,699
her head going

2630
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:20,980
I wonder which the speaker's is going to

2631
02:04:27,930 --> 02:04:25,360
stick you know people like entertainment

2632
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,940
so though there's a there will be some

2633
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:30,159
very popular speakers that focus on

2634
02:04:34,649 --> 02:04:32,530
conspiracy can work more related

2635
02:04:38,279 --> 02:04:34,659
actually I listened to her Laura

2636
02:04:41,129 --> 02:04:38,289
Eisenhower I can't wait to see Andrew

2637
02:04:44,629 --> 02:04:41,139
passagio I mean the guys got conventions

2638
02:04:47,069 --> 02:04:44,639
coming out the wazoo his story is beyond

2639
02:04:48,930 --> 02:04:47,079
believable and I'll tell you what we've

2640
02:04:51,629 --> 02:04:48,940
invited him to come into power cast

2641
02:04:54,629 --> 02:04:51,639
what's the status of that Chris you know

2642
02:04:57,060 --> 02:04:54,639
I never followed up on that he emailed

2643
02:05:02,819 --> 02:04:57,070
me about a month or so ago and said hey

2644
02:05:04,830 --> 02:05:02,829
I'm ready thanks for reminding me we're

2645
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gonna be green on Friday we're having to

2646
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:08,909
meet the speakers right well it's the

2647
02:05:14,490 --> 02:05:12,010
speaker's new great weakness dude I'm

2648
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:14,500
looking forward to it yeah you know I

2649
02:05:18,990 --> 02:05:17,610
want to go back to the harried

2650
02:05:22,109 --> 02:05:19,000
presentation here

2651
02:05:26,669 --> 02:05:22,119
did you know the fifties was really a

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02:05:32,270 --> 02:05:26,679
very interesting decade where you had

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the back in 52 53 the Pentagon ordering

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02:05:38,430 --> 02:05:34,840
the Air Force and Navy to shoot down

2655
02:05:40,709 --> 02:05:38,440
UFOs at that time and then you had all

2656
02:05:43,319 --> 02:05:40,719
these other other incidents and then of

2657
02:05:45,959 --> 02:05:43,329
course Hollywood was also coming out

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with some very interesting movie some

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great classics and the my favorite who

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dealt with is the thing that won the

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02:05:57,419 --> 02:05:54,520
1930 wings on another world

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yeah that's my favorite that's my

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favorite but it deals well you know it's

2664
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three years after Roswell and it deals

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02:06:07,529 --> 02:06:05,020
with the whole thing of disclosure and

2666
02:06:10,529 --> 02:06:07,539
coverup and you know and a crash

2667
02:06:13,470 --> 02:06:10,539
retrieval out of the on the ice there in

2668
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:13,480
the Arctic I it's very very convenient I

2669
02:06:17,820 --> 02:06:15,610
mean it fits in with what's going on

2670
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:17,830
today of course you

2671
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:19,210
also had you know we're talking about

2672
02:06:25,140 --> 02:06:22,330
what look what is it that could have why

2673
02:06:27,780 --> 02:06:25,150
we have these so many flying saucers for

2674
02:06:29,220 --> 02:06:27,790
so many discs crashing and committed

2675
02:06:32,610 --> 02:06:29,230
with the various students but I and I

2676
02:06:35,070 --> 02:06:32,620
was thinking of that movie in 1954 earth

2677
02:06:37,170 --> 02:06:35,080
vs. the flying saucers where the

2678
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:37,180
scientists gonna figure out the way to

2679
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:38,800
knock out these flying saucers

2680
02:06:43,710 --> 02:06:40,210
they were using some kind of high

2681
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:43,720
frequency sound to bring it down then

2682
02:06:46,860 --> 02:06:45,610
that was the film by the way very

2683
02:06:49,050 --> 02:06:46,870
interesting thing by earth first of the

2684
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:49,060
flying saucers a little bit of history

2685
02:06:53,820 --> 02:06:51,490
here what happened here is the studio

2686
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:53,830
produced that movie and the special

2687
02:06:57,630 --> 02:06:55,210
effects were by the great Ray

2688
02:07:00,240 --> 02:06:57,640
Harryhausen who did a lot of stop-motion

2689
02:07:04,010 --> 02:07:00,250
animation they bought one of major

2690
02:07:08,220 --> 02:07:04,020
Kehoe's books and they used it as a raw

2691
02:07:09,660 --> 02:07:08,230
outline for a very traditional aliens on

2692
02:07:12,510 --> 02:07:09,670
the loose kind of science fiction film

2693
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:12,520
but it's interesting that Kehoe

2694
02:07:17,970 --> 02:07:16,030
obviously was very very upset with the

2695
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:17,980
finished product for reasons that were

2696
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:20,410
obvious when you see it as it goes of

2697
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:23,410
the films of the area of 1950s earth

2698
02:07:28,110 --> 02:07:25,330
versus of flying saucers was one of the

2699
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:28,120
better ones but you have to think of

2700
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:31,030
Chios reaction because they bought his

2701
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:33,760
book and wove this science fiction movie

2702
02:07:41,660 --> 02:07:36,850
about it and that my friend is the rest

2703
02:07:45,210 --> 02:07:41,670
of the story very good thank you

2704
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:45,220
of course there's other great movies too

2705
02:07:51,420 --> 02:07:49,210
but you see what is so much it's one of

2706
02:07:53,400 --> 02:07:51,430
those fascinating decades that I'm

2707
02:07:55,530 --> 02:07:53,410
always interested in listening about

2708
02:07:58,050 --> 02:07:55,540
crash retrievals and either being

2709
02:08:01,500 --> 02:07:58,060
witnesses that live during that time

2710
02:08:05,130 --> 02:08:01,510
like our eyewitness and the other

2711
02:08:08,070 --> 02:08:05,140
Roswell where he was a fighter pilot and

2712
02:08:10,020 --> 02:08:08,080
he was flying in Sept 86 and came across

2713
02:08:13,020 --> 02:08:10,030
that that object flying over his flight

2714
02:08:15,180 --> 02:08:13,030
formation unfortunately we have he was

2715
02:08:18,180 --> 02:08:15,190
still alive and we were able to spend

2716
02:08:19,860 --> 02:08:18,190
hours with them over over his testimony

2717
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:19,870
you know I have a kind of a rough

2718
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:22,090
question here that is interesting that

2719
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:24,880
is with these particular episodes we

2720
02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:26,770
know with Roswell we had several

2721
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:29,110
official explanations from the Air Force

2722
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:29,650
or the

2723
02:08:33,530 --> 02:08:31,090
US government about it

2724
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:33,540
we had no response with regard to Aztec

2725
02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:35,770
did the government have any official

2726
02:08:40,290 --> 02:08:38,350
comments to make about any of the

2727
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:40,300
episodes of Kingman this could be either

2728
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you Ruben or you Harry to answer yeah

2729
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:46,900
nothing especially if they're asking me

2730
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okay so there's no other touch thoughts

2731
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as far as they're concerned it never

2732
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happened I can tell you one thing if you

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give me just a second

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one percent or who was the specialist

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who was on up Scott novel nuclear bomb

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cast which by the way did not happen on

2737
02:09:09,870 --> 02:09:07,630
the beach there were two pound less it

2738
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:09,880
didn't happen on the date so the craft

2739
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:12,250
went down so that kind of takes away

2740
02:09:17,370 --> 02:09:15,520
EMP effects stories but one of the

2741
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:17,380
things that he mentioned was he actually

2742
02:09:22,500 --> 02:09:19,690
thought because they told everybody on

2743
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the bus that they were being taken to

2744
02:09:29,700 --> 02:09:26,020
examine a highly secret experimental

2745
02:09:32,850 --> 02:09:29,710
airforce craft they just kind of took

2746
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:32,860
that as the gospel and three weeks later

2747
02:09:38,910 --> 02:09:36,490
after he had long since returned back to

2748
02:09:42,540 --> 02:09:38,920
where he worked he went to a drive-in

2749
02:09:45,330 --> 02:09:42,550
theater and here was the colonel who had

2750
02:09:47,790 --> 02:09:45,340
them take this razor righthand and took

2751
02:09:51,470 --> 02:09:47,800
the secrecy oath on the best before they

2752
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left and this colonel was involved with

2753
02:09:57,570 --> 02:09:54,520
Operation Blue Book and then he said I

2754
02:10:01,110 --> 02:09:57,580
realized that wasn't a super secret

2755
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experimental Air Force saying it was in

2756
02:10:09,660 --> 02:10:06,370
fact a saucer a UFO and that they took

2757
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things literally in 1953 in a way that

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we don't do now this break we have to

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take literally we have Harry Drew and

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Rubin your tape you're on with gene and

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hi this is 10 Anderson have you ever

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wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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gold IRAs they've been available since

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1986 yet the financial industry won't

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recognize the value of gold 4e

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retirement gold has outperformed paper

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investments yet no word about IRAs if

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you would like to have gold for your

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retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

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left behind by rising inflation and low

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

2868
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:48,920
you're listening to the podcast the gold

2869
02:14:58,379 --> 02:14:51,850
standard of paranormal radio

2870
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:02,310
I think ladies and gentlemen you have to

2871
02:15:04,770 --> 02:15:04,210
realize when Chris starts talking like

2872
02:15:07,500 --> 02:15:04,780
that

2873
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:07,510
he is wearing his trickster hat I could

2874
02:15:11,700 --> 02:15:09,520
see it now I can see through the

2875
02:15:14,490 --> 02:15:11,710
microphone because you know he's using a

2876
02:15:16,290 --> 02:15:14,500
microphone that we provided to him and

2877
02:15:19,169 --> 02:15:16,300
therefore I can see through that

2878
02:15:20,879 --> 02:15:19,179
microphone there's a tiny webcam there

2879
02:15:22,439 --> 02:15:20,889
so I see what he's doing I know what

2880
02:15:25,050 --> 02:15:22,449
he's doing and he's wearing his

2881
02:15:27,930 --> 02:15:25,060
trickster hat right Chris oh yeah it's

2882
02:15:31,379 --> 02:15:27,940
gonna be on and screwed down tight next

2883
02:15:33,959 --> 02:15:31,389
weekend at UFO Con in Santa Clara at the

2884
02:15:35,850 --> 02:15:33,969
Marriott if you're in the area I do

2885
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:35,860
invite you to attend I think I'm gonna

2886
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:38,320
be speaking what it to or something 2:30

2887
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:41,110
on Sunday it's gonna be fun I can't wait

2888
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:43,090
to meet meet you Harry and and of course

2889
02:15:46,890 --> 02:15:45,610
Ruben catch up and got a couple of

2890
02:15:49,020 --> 02:15:46,900
things to bounce off yeah

2891
02:15:50,879 --> 02:15:49,030
that I've been working on but this has

2892
02:15:53,220 --> 02:15:50,889
been a great show I I think crash

2893
02:15:55,500 --> 02:15:53,230
retrievals you know this is one of the

2894
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,510
more compelling sort of where the rubber

2895
02:16:00,930 --> 02:15:57,760
meets the road literally you know err

2896
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:00,940
subject areas of the field and I really

2897
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:03,130
appreciate again the amount of work and

2898
02:16:08,430 --> 02:16:05,679
effort research investigation you guys

2899
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:08,440
have put in on these cases really my hat

2900
02:16:13,020 --> 02:16:10,330
goes off to you and III think this has

2901
02:16:14,490 --> 02:16:13,030
really been an informative show I think

2902
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:14,500
people are getting a really good

2903
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:16,690
education you know I look forward to

2904
02:16:20,399 --> 02:16:18,610
having you guys back on thank you very

2905
02:16:22,979 --> 02:16:20,409
much I appreciate being on the show and

2906
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:22,989
I look forward to saying as many people

2907
02:16:30,090 --> 02:16:28,330
can get over to the I'll tell you what

2908
02:16:32,669 --> 02:16:30,100
in the remaining moments we have two

2909
02:16:35,820 --> 02:16:32,679
segments roughly of the show left let's

2910
02:16:39,959 --> 02:16:35,830
explore further details about Kingman so

2911
02:16:42,750 --> 02:16:39,969
now all this happened in 1953 were there

2912
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:42,760
any other incidents in Kingman after

2913
02:16:50,310 --> 02:16:45,370
that date this is 59 years ago after

2914
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:50,320
that date that are well wait a minute we

2915
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:52,240
have that weird event that happened what

2916
02:17:00,609 --> 02:16:55,090
in 2009 just up the road needles where

2917
02:17:04,429 --> 02:17:03,049
right but it's just up the road a piece

2918
02:17:07,099 --> 02:17:04,439
I mean you know out here in the

2919
02:17:09,259 --> 02:17:07,109
southwest I mean that's next door how

2920
02:17:12,259 --> 02:17:09,269
many miles were talking about Chris yeah

2921
02:17:14,419 --> 02:17:12,269
I don't know about 70 maybe 60 okay so

2922
02:17:17,149 --> 02:17:14,429
you see if you're in a larger city 60 or

2923
02:17:19,279 --> 02:17:17,159
70 miles it is a big deal because we

2924
02:17:21,319 --> 02:17:19,289
have traffic it takes you three days to

2925
02:17:23,599 --> 02:17:21,329
get across town but when I lived in San

2926
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:23,609
Luis Valley with 60 miles to the nearest

2927
02:17:28,099 --> 02:17:25,920
stoplight in about 65 miles to the

2928
02:17:30,439 --> 02:17:28,109
nearest hospitals so I know of course

2929
02:17:33,410 --> 02:17:30,449
when you're going to say Las Vegas and

2930
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:33,420
traveling on Route 93 and you have to

2931
02:17:40,250 --> 02:17:37,519
wait for as they say a parlor room break

2932
02:17:42,049 --> 02:17:40,260
is that what Barbara calls it actually

2933
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:42,059
she uses another term but I can't say it

2934
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,519
on the radio no she's a sweet girl but

2935
02:17:52,849 --> 02:17:49,439
seriously okay so we understand that as

2936
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:52,859
the crow flies it's what a 15-minute

2937
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:56,010
drive because you don't drive at 50 or

2938
02:18:00,049 --> 02:17:57,359
60 miles an hour out there in the

2939
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country you drive at more appropriate

2940
02:18:04,910 --> 02:18:02,099
speeds well it's in the same

2941
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neighborhood in terms of geography out

2942
02:18:11,450 --> 02:18:07,739
here you know living in Arizona and

2943
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having driven 93 many times did a really

2944
02:18:16,129 --> 02:18:13,889
cool ghost haunting investigation right

2945
02:18:20,419 --> 02:18:16,139
in downtown Kingman a couple of years

2946
02:18:21,979 --> 02:18:20,429
back which still baffles me we came up

2947
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:21,989
with some really incredible stuff there

2948
02:18:27,969 --> 02:18:24,479
I mean this whole area down here is a

2949
02:18:30,979 --> 02:18:27,979
hotbed of activity and I'm not surprised

2950
02:18:33,469 --> 02:18:30,989
that if you draw a triangle from

2951
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:33,479
Prescott to Kingman over to Flagstaff

2952
02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:36,210
and then down to Prescott a lot of

2953
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:38,489
interesting stuff has gone on here and

2954
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:42,000
of course it is the most sacred spot to

2955
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:44,010
the Hopi Indians of course the San

2956
02:18:48,349 --> 02:18:45,840
Francisco Peaks sort of dominate this

2957
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:48,359
particular part of the region and of

2958
02:18:52,129 --> 02:18:50,250
course this is where the Kachinas the

2959
02:18:54,889 --> 02:18:52,139
sky people come and go according to the

2960
02:18:56,719 --> 02:18:54,899
indigenous tradition here so it's it's

2961
02:18:59,809 --> 02:18:56,729
not I think by accident that we're

2962
02:19:02,569 --> 02:18:59,819
seeing dogged investigation like Harry's

2963
02:19:04,729 --> 02:19:02,579
doing and and Reuben and others kind of

2964
02:19:07,279 --> 02:19:04,739
exposing certain hotspot areas around

2965
02:19:09,290 --> 02:19:07,289
the continent that deserve the kind of

2966
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:09,300
scrutiny you guys are applying to it and

2967
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:11,770
you know again my hat's off Tia and

2968
02:19:18,330 --> 02:19:14,800
looking forward to meeting you so other

2969
02:19:20,220 --> 02:19:18,340
than the recent needles event Harry have

2970
02:19:22,410 --> 02:19:20,230
you heard of any other events what about

2971
02:19:24,510 --> 02:19:22,420
that strange story that Linda Howe came

2972
02:19:25,860 --> 02:19:24,520
up with at the crash retrieval

2973
02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:25,870
conference I think it was the first or

2974
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:28,870
second one about a crash right on the

2975
02:19:36,780 --> 02:19:33,850
Nevada Utah border that Ron Regehr I

2976
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:36,790
think pretty much refuted do you have

2977
02:19:41,010 --> 02:19:38,050
any information about that particular

2978
02:19:44,970 --> 02:19:41,020
BLM facility up there on the border

2979
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:44,980
normally with that case what well

2980
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:47,050
there's no year attached to it's just a

2981
02:19:52,190 --> 02:19:49,210
giant train platform that's been covered

2982
02:19:54,570 --> 02:19:52,200
up right on the border it's a BLM

2983
02:19:57,480 --> 02:19:54,580
monitoring project a long-term project

2984
02:20:00,990 --> 02:19:57,490
monitoring the effectiveness of desert

2985
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:01,000
environment for for bovine grazing is

2986
02:20:05,881 --> 02:20:03,370
what it turns out to be but I familiar

2987
02:20:07,470 --> 02:20:05,891
with that that's a crash saucer and it

2988
02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:07,480
was so big they couldn't take it out so

2989
02:20:10,140 --> 02:20:09,370
they covered it up well that's entirely

2990
02:20:11,910 --> 02:20:10,150
possible

2991
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:11,920
one of the one of the things I can tell

2992
02:20:19,620 --> 02:20:16,240
you from being a museum director and

2993
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:19,630
curator of archeology and anthropology

2994
02:20:25,470 --> 02:20:22,240
one of the things that if we can't if we

2995
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:25,480
can't excavate or clear the site we

2996
02:20:34,410 --> 02:20:28,170
paint it or make it a parking lot or

2997
02:20:37,890 --> 02:20:34,420
something else and it's like Jimmy Hoffa

2998
02:20:39,690 --> 02:20:37,900
he's in the the visitors end zone in

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02:20:42,780 --> 02:20:39,700
concrete at Giants Stadium

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02:20:45,240 --> 02:20:42,790
so can we assume here that maybe there's

3001
02:20:47,580 --> 02:20:45,250
a UFO that's buried beneath the concrete

3002
02:20:50,790 --> 02:20:47,590
as we drive in and around that area

3003
02:20:53,540 --> 02:20:50,800
maybe we are coming in close proximity

3004
02:20:56,569 --> 02:20:53,550
to one of these things

3005
02:20:59,689 --> 02:20:56,579
I mean you really nice raise the point

3006
02:21:02,260 --> 02:20:59,699
yeah that was kind of it well you're

3007
02:21:05,779 --> 02:21:02,270
talking about goose and I'm going to add

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someone who is an expert on goes to

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02:21:10,760 --> 02:21:07,800
tours that I do here and top-secret

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02:21:14,450 --> 02:21:10,770
tours will be back here and I'll lead a

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02:21:17,139 --> 02:21:14,460
group on the 19th of October knockout to

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02:21:20,300 --> 02:21:17,149
site they've actually been there and

3013
02:21:22,490 --> 02:21:20,310
it's the kind of thing where when I show

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them well I'm going to show them and

3015
02:21:28,580 --> 02:21:25,500
then they actually see it you can hear

3016
02:21:31,790 --> 02:21:28,590
them gasped for air because it's so

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02:21:35,029 --> 02:21:31,800
startlingly real because the clue that I

3018
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:35,039
got that led me to the the main site was

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02:21:39,529 --> 02:21:36,810
something nobody knew about any

3020
02:21:42,500 --> 02:21:39,539
including nature I got it and it was the

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02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:42,510
road map it was the key that unlocked

3022
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:45,600
that lack - the last thing I needed to

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02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:48,329
know to actually find the place that

3024
02:21:53,929 --> 02:21:50,130
would lead me right straight to where

3025
02:21:56,059 --> 02:21:53,939
the Sun was and with that that's what

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02:21:58,069 --> 02:21:56,069
I'm going to do other than directed with

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02:22:00,439 --> 02:21:58,079
top secret tours but throughout ventures

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02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:00,449
is I'll do some tours there and I have a

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good friend who's an expert on the

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02:22:09,319 --> 02:22:05,460
ghosts and thank you a lump of the night

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02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:09,329
here in Kingman and he can start off the

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02:22:13,519 --> 02:22:11,850
tour and take people to these places and

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02:22:15,260 --> 02:22:13,529
so that's an opportunity for anyone

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02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:15,270
that's listening if you've ever wondered

3035
02:22:19,639 --> 02:22:17,130
we've already had a couple of the ghost

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02:22:22,010 --> 02:22:19,649
hunters that worked out over here

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02:22:25,370 --> 02:22:22,020
looking at stuff without me the

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02:22:28,069 --> 02:22:25,380
Brunswick Hotel I in this comes from my

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02:22:30,500 --> 02:22:28,079
own personal experience and being

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02:22:32,569 --> 02:22:30,510
involved in their investigation there's

3041
02:22:35,630 --> 02:22:32,579
something weird about that place and and

3042
02:22:37,849 --> 02:22:35,640
we did get get some evidence that is

3043
02:22:41,630 --> 02:22:37,859
quite compelling we should probably do a

3044
02:22:44,450 --> 02:22:41,640
whole show just on on the the variety of

3045
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unusual phenomena that have been

3046
02:22:49,969 --> 02:22:47,069
reported in and around you know right in

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and around Kingman but so you're

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involved in you know promoting tours and

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in helping guide people to sites and

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that sort of thing well to control

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planning because it needs to be saved

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some of these areas and I need to stress

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this I have done this

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a long time and but you should not go or

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try to go to these places by yourself

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you should not go with anything else on

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a four by four wheel drive and another

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person with one in case you're broken

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down you're out of trouble you're out of

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cellphone range you are in extremely

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remote places and there are dangerous

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things that live here 11 of the 15 state

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police Miss creatures are here including

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Mojave agreeing at the beyond office it

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wasn't green and I thought about the

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boot that I climbed three times to look

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at the scar from the ugly vehicle you

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know why I did this and maybe I don't

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want to go on this trip I have to see

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02:29:38,780 --> 02:29:35,340
entire southwest of the United States

3202
02:29:40,969 --> 02:29:38,790
and there are areas like this everywhere

3203
02:29:42,979 --> 02:29:40,979
everywhere you go around the planet

3204
02:29:46,130 --> 02:29:42,989
you're gonna find places where you have

3205
02:29:48,349 --> 02:29:46,140
a concentration of a variety and

3206
02:29:50,149 --> 02:29:48,359
intensity of unusual phenomena that

3207
02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:50,159
seemed to be centered around a location

3208
02:29:54,889 --> 02:29:52,770
specific area and I think Kingman fits

3209
02:29:57,649 --> 02:29:54,899
right into this like really cool little

3210
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:57,659
triangle we have here in eastern Arizona

3211
02:30:02,859 --> 02:30:00,720
and I think Harry would would agree

3212
02:30:05,479 --> 02:30:02,869
Ruben would agree he's been involved in

3213
02:30:08,059 --> 02:30:05,489
working on a pretty interesting little

3214
02:30:09,530 --> 02:30:08,069
triangular situation over you know what

3215
02:30:16,069 --> 02:30:09,540
do they call it the Sierra triangle

3216
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:16,079
Ruben they come over into California

3217
02:30:24,620 --> 02:30:21,449
with Steve fossa went down but when you

3218
02:30:27,859 --> 02:30:24,630
were talking about the geography I was

3219
02:30:30,530 --> 02:30:27,869
thinking of the Big Ben areas of West

3220
02:30:31,790 --> 02:30:30,540
Texas the Martha Lloyd well that's true

3221
02:30:34,250 --> 02:30:31,800
that's where you're gonna be having a

3222
02:30:37,010 --> 02:30:34,260
conference down in the Presidio correct

3223
02:30:39,769 --> 02:30:37,020
once you tells you I love the photograph

3224
02:30:42,290 --> 02:30:39,779
by the way of you guys your face is

3225
02:30:44,660 --> 02:30:42,300
replacing you and Stanton Friedman and

3226
02:30:56,210 --> 02:30:44,670
no and your faces are in place of punch

3227
02:30:59,300 --> 02:30:56,220
a bunch of via and yeah we having the

3228
02:31:00,859 --> 02:30:59,310
the borders of international UFO

3229
02:31:04,780 --> 02:31:00,869
conference that's going to be held at

3230
02:31:10,040 --> 02:31:04,790
the Presidio Texas on October 19th and

3231
02:31:11,630 --> 02:31:10,050
20th and what it's about it's the city

3232
02:31:14,599 --> 02:31:11,640
Presidio is actually on

3233
02:31:19,610 --> 02:31:14,609
during our book Mexico Roswell because

3234
02:31:21,370 --> 02:31:19,620
in our in our research the crash UFO

3235
02:31:27,130 --> 02:31:21,380
occurred about 30 miles south of

3236
02:31:30,439 --> 02:31:27,140
Presidio Texas well the director of

3237
02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:30,449
Department of Tourism really liked the

3238
02:31:36,590 --> 02:31:33,600
idea and and decided to tell you a film

3239
02:31:39,290 --> 02:31:36,600
festival centered on this whole case and

3240
02:31:42,979 --> 02:31:39,300
at the same time invite prominent people

3241
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:42,989
other other researchers will have a lot

3242
02:31:46,820 --> 02:31:45,120
of advances to promote tourism so this

3243
02:31:49,580 --> 02:31:46,830
is going to become like another Roswell

3244
02:31:52,790 --> 02:31:49,590
event and we're really looking forward

3245
02:31:55,939 --> 02:31:52,800
to it it's going to be really an

3246
02:31:57,979 --> 02:31:55,949
interesting at the same time the reason

3247
02:32:00,050 --> 02:31:57,989
why we see international the right

3248
02:32:01,910 --> 02:32:00,060
across the border the city of Ojinaga

3249
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:01,920
which is our the border city to

3250
02:32:04,820 --> 02:32:02,489
precedium

3251
02:32:07,250 --> 02:32:04,830
are our friends our Mexican

3252
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:07,260
investigators are also be putting on the

3253
02:32:12,979 --> 02:32:10,050
UFO conference so we're seeing UFO

3254
02:32:15,229 --> 02:32:12,989
conferences on both sides border so are

3255
02:32:17,269 --> 02:32:15,239
we seeing Ruben and you get involved in

3256
02:32:20,179 --> 02:32:17,279
a lot of conferences and stuff are we

3257
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:20,189
seeing more interest these days in UFOs

3258
02:32:26,090 --> 02:32:22,890
and previously well I think so I mean

3259
02:32:28,790 --> 02:32:26,100
and what I what I think it what's

3260
02:32:30,410 --> 02:32:28,800
happening is that for example I

3261
02:32:34,700 --> 02:32:30,420
mentioned Laredo Texas

3262
02:32:36,769 --> 02:32:34,710
Laredo is organizing a no-phone Festival

3263
02:32:39,950 --> 02:32:36,779
and that's being put on by their

3264
02:32:43,790 --> 02:32:39,960
heritage Society so and here you have

3265
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:43,800
the Chamber of Commerce from Presidio

3266
02:32:49,840 --> 02:32:47,130
doing this so you know I I think over

3267
02:32:52,760 --> 02:32:49,850
the years you know with over the various

3268
02:32:54,889 --> 02:32:52,770
programs that have been on about the the

3269
02:32:56,780 --> 02:32:54,899
phenomenon and now you're seeing

3270
02:32:58,460 --> 02:32:56,790
mainstream groups taking over and I'm

3271
02:33:01,939 --> 02:32:58,470
just jazzed about it I mean it's not a

3272
02:33:03,410 --> 02:33:01,949
UFO court organizer or promoter these

3273
02:33:05,809 --> 02:33:03,420
are people that are from mainstream

3274
02:33:08,389 --> 02:33:05,819
groups that say hey you know something

3275
02:33:11,599 --> 02:33:08,399
unusual happened here in our area let's

3276
02:33:13,490 --> 02:33:11,609
focus on on on that and you know perhaps

3277
02:33:16,099 --> 02:33:13,500
it'll bring tourism and also bringing

3278
02:33:18,139 --> 02:33:16,109
attention to the phenomena but do you

3279
02:33:20,269 --> 02:33:18,149
wonder also in a case like that whether

3280
02:33:22,429 --> 02:33:20,279
the real concern is to learn more about

3281
02:33:23,820 --> 02:33:22,439
the phenomenon or to bring in the

3282
02:33:26,410 --> 02:33:23,830
tourists and

3283
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:26,420
filling up the hotels and the concession

3284
02:33:38,290 --> 02:33:35,450
stands sure everybody wants to be

3285
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:38,300
Roswell as that you know kind of made

3286
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:41,210
their stab at it I think it's it's it's

3287
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:43,010
a good thing because people get jazz

3288
02:33:47,860 --> 02:33:46,160
they get intrigue and then if they're

3289
02:33:50,290 --> 02:33:47,870
motivated they actually do their

3290
02:33:53,410 --> 02:33:50,300
research find out the facts and then you

3291
02:33:55,330 --> 02:33:53,420
know draw informed conclusions well

3292
02:33:58,480 --> 02:33:55,340
certainly if other areas other than

3293
02:34:00,850 --> 02:33:58,490
Roswell that have compelling case

3294
02:34:03,250 --> 02:34:00,860
histories are given attention I think we

3295
02:34:05,350 --> 02:34:03,260
all be grateful because I feel that

3296
02:34:07,810 --> 02:34:05,360
we're so overwhelmed with Roswell is

3297
02:34:10,150 --> 02:34:07,820
still the benchmark case and it

3298
02:34:12,730 --> 02:34:10,160
shouldn't be so exploring other cases

3299
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:12,740
exploring the Mexican Roswell or

3300
02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:15,530
exploring the cases at Kingman this

3301
02:34:29,080 --> 02:34:17,450
would divert our attention from Roswell

3302
02:34:30,341 --> 02:34:29,090
and that's wonderful I agree conference

3303
02:34:31,780 --> 02:34:30,351
that would be interesting as Kingman has

3304
02:34:34,480 --> 02:34:31,790
so many things you know it's interesting

3305
02:34:36,761 --> 02:34:34,490
on the way to Las Vegas this most

3306
02:34:39,490 --> 02:34:36,771
interesting most recent trip we stopped

3307
02:34:43,330 --> 02:34:39,500
at one of these mini marts to get some

3308
02:34:45,310 --> 02:34:43,340
coffee and all that stuff and I saw this

3309
02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:45,320
little area where they have these area

3310
02:34:50,410 --> 02:34:48,650
51 postcards so they've got the UFO

3311
02:34:53,591 --> 02:34:50,420
legend down pat over there

3312
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:53,601
of course I then showed him the license

3313
02:35:08,350 --> 02:34:56,960
plate on my car which Chris knows what

3314
02:35:11,350 --> 02:35:08,360
that says mister MIB I think it's the

3315
02:35:15,250 --> 02:35:11,360
MIB and it comes from the Lions of the

3316
02:35:21,160 --> 02:35:15,260
Will Smith song we are the MIB the

3317
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:21,170
galaxy protectors the MIB my life will

3318
02:35:27,940 --> 02:35:23,530
play key amigo

3319
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:31,490
see we're starting a trend here you know

3320
02:35:36,440 --> 02:35:34,080
the motor vehicle bureaus in Arizona and

3321
02:35:44,210 --> 02:35:36,450
New Mexico and Nevada should be pushing

3322
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:44,220
in this UFO connection we have seen how

3323
02:35:47,770 --> 02:35:46,080
that goes just a quick look at the

3324
02:35:52,551 --> 02:35:47,780
future before we let you go Harry

3325
02:35:54,530 --> 02:35:52,561
for Kingman what can we do today to try

3326
02:35:55,700 --> 02:35:54,540
to validate more of the details of this

3327
02:35:57,980 --> 02:35:55,710
case we're talking about something

3328
02:36:00,670 --> 02:35:57,990
happened 59 years ago and obviously a

3329
02:36:03,830 --> 02:36:00,680
lot of the key people are no longer here

3330
02:36:07,900 --> 02:36:03,840
what can we do today to go over the

3331
02:36:19,370 --> 02:36:16,970
yeah yes you know I can't wait to talk

3332
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:19,380
to Ruben about the triangle or a

3333
02:36:22,610 --> 02:36:20,240
boomerang

3334
02:36:25,850 --> 02:36:22,620
trade craft I don't I don't know the

3335
02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:25,860
difference as far as configuration

3336
02:36:31,460 --> 02:36:27,090
exactly because they've all seen that

3337
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:31,470
about the same thing they are here and

3338
02:36:40,850 --> 02:36:37,290
we still have the same flag way and you

3339
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:40,860
are sitting there one or two or

3340
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:44,670
sometimes six or eight and not like I

3341
02:36:54,310 --> 02:36:50,610
described from 1953 they're happening

3342
02:36:57,801 --> 02:36:54,320
and it's almost once a week sometimes

3343
02:36:59,900 --> 02:36:57,811
give several times a month and this is

3344
02:37:06,770 --> 02:36:59,910
seeing UFOs obviously we're not seeing

3345
02:37:09,290 --> 02:37:06,780
more crashes Las Vegas across the desert

3346
02:37:12,350 --> 02:37:09,300
floor if you look you cannot up snap a

3347
02:37:15,500 --> 02:37:12,360
line right state straight South by

3348
02:37:19,180 --> 02:37:15,510
southeast goes right through Red Lake

3349
02:37:22,490 --> 02:37:19,190
mollified Valley and right on out a

3350
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:22,500
heading south and that's just a fly

3351
02:37:27,890 --> 02:37:24,960
right to that and people see them all

3352
02:37:31,700 --> 02:37:27,900
the time people driving down highway

3353
02:37:35,390 --> 02:37:31,710
night modern-day highway 93 coming from

3354
02:37:39,020 --> 02:37:35,400
Las Vegas or going to Las Vegas your app

3355
02:37:41,500 --> 02:37:39,030
to see one if you turn on 68

3356
02:37:44,900 --> 02:37:41,510
towards Laughlin Nevada going across

3357
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:44,910
villain Valley your bottle of semen

3358
02:37:52,760 --> 02:37:48,530
party there and it and they're loyal and

3359
02:37:55,790 --> 02:37:52,770
for what I sing and my vernacular I

3360
02:37:57,470 --> 02:37:55,800
would call them machines okay what

3361
02:37:59,330 --> 02:37:57,480
Harrington tell our listeners very

3362
02:38:02,150 --> 02:37:59,340
quickly where they can find more

3363
02:38:06,700 --> 02:38:02,160
information on the things you do you can

3364
02:38:12,380 --> 02:38:06,710
find more information at my website at

3365
02:38:17,180 --> 02:38:12,390
www.911.gov a Reuben where can we find

3366
02:38:20,390 --> 02:38:17,190
more of your stuff oh it's wwr oswald

3367
02:38:22,660 --> 02:38:20,400
books calm and Chris O'Brien how about

3368
02:38:26,030 --> 02:38:22,670
you hey I'm right here at the pear cast

3369
02:38:29,450 --> 02:38:26,040
we urge everybody to participate at

3370
02:38:32,300 --> 02:38:29,460
forum dr. Peric ascom my web site is our

3371
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:32,310
strange planet and by the way you can

3372
02:38:37,370 --> 02:38:34,170
find us on Twitter where we are known as

3373
02:38:41,060 --> 02:38:37,380
the para cast and also you can you check

3374
02:38:43,550 --> 02:38:41,070
out our site and the power cast com2 re

3375
02:38:45,500 --> 02:38:43,560
drew Ruben your cape thank you both for

3376
02:38:47,720 --> 02:38:45,510
joining us this week on the power cast

3377
02:38:56,570 --> 02:38:47,730
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3378
02:39:02,969 --> 02:39:00,090
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3379
02:39:05,960 --> 02:39:02,979
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3380
02:39:09,690 --> 02:39:05,970
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